Gaza war from Palestinian viewpoint:

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Gaza war from Palestinian viewpoint:

Post by Bobby » Fri May 21, 2021 8:55 am

I don't say that I totally agree with this but
at least it's another point of view.


A viewpoint from the Palestinian side:

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https://www.salon.com/2021/05/15/israel ... by-the-us/


Israel's big lie: This isn't self defense — it's a war crime, aided and abetted by the U.S.
Almost everything said in the U.S. about Israel's assault on the Palestinians is a lie — because we are implicated.

By Chris Hedges

Published May 15, 2021 4:00PM (UTC)


Nearly all the words and phrases used by the Democrats, Republicans and the talking heads on the media to describe the unrest inside Israel and the heaviest Israeli assault against the Palestinians since the 2014 attacks on Gaza, which lasted 51 days and killed more than 2,200 Palestinians, including 551 children, are a lie. Israel, by employing its military machine against an occupied population that does not have mechanized units, an air force, navy, missiles, heavy artillery and command-and-control, not to mention a U.S. commitment to provide a $38 billion defense aid package for Israel over the next decade, is not exercising "the right to defend itself."
It is carrying out mass murder.
It is a war crime.


Israel has made clear it is ready to destroy and kill as wantonly now as it was in 2014. Israeli defense minister Benny Gantz, who was the chief of staff during the murderous assault on Gaza in 2014, has vowed that if Hamas "does not stop the violence, the strike of 2021 will be harder and more painful than that of 2014." The current attacks have already targeted several residential high-rises including buildings that housed more than a dozen local and international press agencies, government buildings, roads, public facilities, agricultural lands, two schools and a mosque.



And while I oppose the indiscriminate firing of rockets by Palestinians into Israel, as I oppose suicide bombings, seeing them also as war crimes, I am acutely aware of a huge disparity between the industrial violence carried out by Israel against innocent Palestinians and the minimal acts of violence capable of being waged by groups such as Hamas.

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Re: Gaza war from Palestinian viewpoint:

Post by Bobby » Fri May 21, 2021 9:11 am

https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-an ... -fighting/


Violence continues despite truce announcement

Israel and Hamas agree on Gaza ceasefire to end 11 days of fighting
Truce to go into effect 2 a.m.;


Hamas official declares victory, claims terror group received assurances on Israeli policies in Jerusalem; Israel hails ‘unprecedented’ achievements

By Raoul Wootliff Today, 11:31 pm

Israel’s high-level security cabinet voted in favor of a ceasefire in Gaza Thursday night, potentially bringing an end to 11 deadly days of hostilities with the Hamas terror group.

A statement from the Prime Minister’s Office said that the security cabinet had “unanimously accepted the recommendation of all security officials, the IDF chief of staff, the head of the Shin Bet, the head of the Mossad and the head of the National Security Council, to accept the Egyptian initiative for a bilateral ceasefire without any conditions, which will take effect later.”

At the same time, the statement added, “the political leadership emphasizes that it is the reality on the ground that will determine the future of the operation.”

Following the meeting, a Hamas official confirmed to the Reuters news agency a “mutual and simultaneous” ceasefire with Israel had been reached.

Senior Hamas official Osama Hamdan told the Lebanese Al-Mayadeen news channel that the ceasefire will go into effect at 2 a.m.

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Re: Gaza war from Palestinian viewpoint:

Post by Texan » Fri May 21, 2021 10:37 am

Who fired the first shot? Israel is defending itself. Israel is killing innocent civilians because Hamas is using them as human shields. Maybe the Palestinians should be coming down on Hamas and Israel wouldn't have to defend itself.

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Re: Gaza war from Palestinian viewpoint:

Post by Neferti » Fri May 21, 2021 10:50 am

Texan wrote:
Fri May 21, 2021 10:37 am
Who fired the first shot? Israel is defending itself. Israel is killing innocent civilians because Hamas is using them as human shields. Maybe the Palestinians should be coming down on Hamas and Israel wouldn't have to defend itself.
Does it matter who started it? This happens every few years. YAWN!

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Re: Gaza war from Palestinian viewpoint:

Post by Black Orchid » Fri May 21, 2021 10:53 am

Neferti~ wrote:
Fri May 21, 2021 10:50 am
Texan wrote:
Fri May 21, 2021 10:37 am
Who fired the first shot? Israel is defending itself. Israel is killing innocent civilians because Hamas is using them as human shields. Maybe the Palestinians should be coming down on Hamas and Israel wouldn't have to defend itself.
Does it matter who started it? This happens every few years. YAWN!
Well it's usually a good starting point.

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Re: Gaza war from Palestinian viewpoint:

Post by Bobby » Fri May 21, 2021 11:09 pm

Texan wrote:
Fri May 21, 2021 10:37 am
Who fired the first shot? Israel is defending itself. Israel is killing innocent civilians because Hamas is using them as human shields. Maybe the Palestinians should be coming down on Hamas and Israel wouldn't have to defend itself.

They have been killing each other for 5,000 years in the Middle East -
nothing has ever changed.

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Re: Gaza war from Palestinian viewpoint:

Post by Neferti » Sat May 22, 2021 7:23 am

Bobby wrote:
Fri May 21, 2021 11:09 pm
Texan wrote:
Fri May 21, 2021 10:37 am
Who fired the first shot? Israel is defending itself. Israel is killing innocent civilians because Hamas is using them as human shields. Maybe the Palestinians should be coming down on Hamas and Israel wouldn't have to defend itself.

They have been killing each other for 5,000 years in the Middle East -
nothing has ever changed.
Exactly!

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Re: Gaza war from Palestinian viewpoint:

Post by Bobby » Sat May 22, 2021 9:19 am

Neferti~ wrote:
Sat May 22, 2021 7:23 am
Bobby wrote:
Fri May 21, 2021 11:09 pm
Texan wrote:
Fri May 21, 2021 10:37 am
Who fired the first shot? Israel is defending itself. Israel is killing innocent civilians because Hamas is using them as human shields. Maybe the Palestinians should be coming down on Hamas and Israel wouldn't have to defend itself.

They have been killing each other for 5,000 years in the Middle East -
nothing has ever changed.
Exactly!
Religion is seen as a reason to kill each other.
That is what's wrong with Abrahamic religions:
Judaism,
Christianity,
Islam.

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Re: Gaza war from Palestinian viewpoint:

Post by Black Orchid » Sat May 22, 2021 2:20 pm

Netanyahu claims they have destroyed Hamas's extensive tunnel system so they cannot hide. They also claim to have taken out Hamas rocket factories, weapons laboratories and storage facilities I guess we'll see soon enough.

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Re: Gaza war from Palestinian viewpoint:

Post by Black Orchid » Sat May 22, 2021 2:31 pm

Hamas plays bloody politics but Iran is the puppetmaster. The Gaza ceasefire brings no real hope of peace while so many remain intent on Israel’s demise. This conflict has not transformed the Israel-Palestinian equation — but it has changed quite a lot.

The ceasefire has come. The internationally designated terrorist group, Hamas, has stopped firing rockets and mortar shells at civilian targets in Israel. And the Israeli air force has stopped conducting raids on Hamas installations in the Gaza Strip, raids that inevitably have killed civilians.

This iteration of the conflict ran for 11 days. Some 230 Palestinians were killed and 12 people in Israel died. Those figures are bad enough. But beyond them lie a shocking toll of distress, trauma, injury, crippled and endangered infrastructure, although the death toll was much lower than earlier episodes.

The moral responsibility for the conflict rests with Hamas. It initiated the military engagement and fired 4000 rockets at Israel, almost every one intended to hit a civilian target.
There is a legitimate debate about the proportionality of the Israeli response. There is no serious debate about Israel’s right to defend itself as any nation would if similarly attacked.

Egypt brokered the ceasefire and Egypt is generally a constructive element in Palestinian politics.

But the biggest outside influence was Iran, and in the short term the biggest winner was probably Israel’s Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu. Two of the core tenets of his leadership — that national security is the most important consideration for an Israeli government, and that there is no credible peace partner for Israel on the Palestinian side — were reinforced.
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