Vaccine too risky for elderly?

[Bobby]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... f=ZMFHsM5Z


Norway Raises Concern Over Vaccine Jabs for the Elderly

By Lars Erik Taraldsen
January 17, 2021,


Norway expressed increasing concern about the safety of the Pfizer Inc. vaccine on elderly people with serious underlying health conditions after raising an estimate of the number who died after receiving inoculations to 29.

The latest figure adds six to the number of known fatalities in Norway, and lowers the age group thought to be affected to 75 from 80. While it’s unclear exactly when the deaths occurred, Norway has given at least one dose to about 42,000 people and focused on those considered most at risk if they contract the virus, including the elderly.

Until Friday, the vaccine produced by Pfizer and BioNTech SE was the only one available in Norway, and “all deaths are thus linked to this vaccine,” the Norwegian Medicines Agency said in a written response to Bloomberg on Saturday.


Australia’s Concern

Australia, which has an agreement for 10 million doses of the Pfizer vaccine, is seeking urgent information on the issue from the producer, health authorities and Norway’s government, Health Minister Greg Hunt told reporters in Melbourne on Sunday.

Australia’s Therapeutic Goods Administration will seek “additional information, both from the company, but also from the Norwegian medical regulator,” Hunt said. Australia’s foreign ministry will also contact its counterpart in Norway on the issue.

Too Risky

The findings have prompted Norway to suggest that Covid-19 vaccines may be too risky for the very old and terminally ill, the most cautious statement yet from a European health authority.

[sprintcyclist]

As in many things, don't be first and don't be last

[Bobby]

As in many things, don't be first and don't be last

I'm going to grit my teeth and
roll up my sleeve and take the vax.

[Black Orchid]

Why would the terminally ill risk taking the vaccine? They'd be the most vulnerable to adverse effects.

[billy the kid]

Autopsies of 13 of the deceased in Norway have revealed that they all had serious
underlying illnesses WORSENED by the adverse effects of the vaccination...
Yesterday health officials (insert here politicians) stated that they could not
rule out the elderly being adversely effected by the vaccinations...
TODAY the health officials (insert here politicians) state that it should be up
to each individual doctor as to whether a patient receives the vaccine or not, depending on their
medical condition and age.
No-one will accept responsibility for any death or side effects caused by the vaccine.
WHO do you sue if this happens...
The nursing home....no....
The person administering the vaccine....no..
The government....no...
The manufacturer of the drug.....no.....
Ooops sorry....I forgot.....
Youre dead....you cant sue anyone.....
This vaccine will be rolled out in Australia for anyone who wants it...
AND deaths overseas or persons suffering side effects will just be ignored
by our government....

[Bobby]

Why would the terminally ill risk taking the vaccine? They'd be the most vulnerable to adverse effects.

What if they have dementia?
How can they give consent?

[billy the kid]

Why would the terminally ill risk taking the vaccine? They'd be the most vulnerable to adverse effects.

What if they have dementia?
How can they give consent?

This is obviously a can of worms.
Someone with dementia may have granted Power of Attorney to say
the Public Trustee whilst they were able to before suffering dementia.
Power of Attorney only grants authority to manage financial affairs.
An Enduring Guardianship would grant power of consent to the Guardian.
If there is no Guardianship and a person has dementia, the Nursing Home would
have to seek "consent" from the patients family.
The family may not be able to agree...
This is a daunting task for all nursing homes.
I would imagine that the government, as per usual, will interfere....
As I pointed out in another thread...what if half the patients in a nursing home
want the jab and the others dont.....
A lot of them would have dementia.
I envisage nursing homes will, very soon, be communicating with next of kins
all over Australia, and attempting to convince them to become Enduring Guardians....
Good luck with that........

[Black Orchid]

The sad thing about an Enduring Guardian is that when the 'guardian' makes a care plan with the nursing home they can either force or deprive the patient of basic care. TAG is a rort.

[Bobby]

Why would the terminally ill risk taking the vaccine? They'd be the most vulnerable to adverse effects.

What if they have dementia?
How can they give consent?

This is obviously a can of worms.
Someone with dementia may have granted Power of Attorney to say
the Public Trustee whilst they were able to before suffering dementia.
Power of Attorney only grants authority to manage financial affairs.
An Enduring Guardianship would grant power of consent to the Guardian.
If there is no Guardianship and a person has dementia, the Nursing Home would
have to seek "consent" from the patients family.
The family may not be able to agree...
This is a daunting task for all nursing homes.
I would imagine that the government, as per usual, will interfere....
As I pointed out in another thread...what if half the patients in a nursing home
want the jab and the others dont.....
A lot of them would have dementia.
I envisage nursing homes will, very soon, be communicating with next of kins
all over Australia, and attempting to convince them to become Enduring Guardians....
Good luck with that........

A monster can of worms that surely will require urgent legislation?

[Black Orchid]

What do you want them to legislate? Forcing people to have the vax?