Should God be used in Politics

[JW Frogen]

Tom, I for one believe there is a Rio Grand between agreement and truth.

Texans, in my experience, shoot straight (rhetorically at least, they did have some problems literally at the Alamo) and more importantly usually tell you what they are going to do or will not do. (Though never in English as some know it. But then I can't complaign about that.)

Listen to them and you can count on them or count them out, unlike many other cultures on Earth where polite conversation and agreement masks dishonesty and where promises are meant to be whispered and then broken.

[Outlaw Yogi]

The entity is real, the politics is, well politics.

Welcome to the real reality.

The difference between them and say an atheist who demands they not even base their political life (as if this can be divorced from their personal life) on any concept of God, that they MUST be atheist in their political life, or a fundamentalist who demands one's personal belief in God be enforced on others, is that neither man did demand a universal compliance with their belief in God, they only sought inspiration from their faith to inform them personally on some tough decisions that must be made.

Frogen clearly advocates for religion in politics, and often double-speaks about democracy.
If religion and its cultural and political impacts upon the community can be justified, then Pastafarianism should also be able to burden the wider community with their religious sensitivities.

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[JW Frogen]

No, I actually do not advocate religion in politics (hence my previous point about fundamentalists, religion being the poem not the knowing), but if one has experienced God then of course that is going to inform their entire life, including their personal politics.

No worse, and I would argue better, than informing one’s politics simply from the minute prism of their own personal need for power, which is all that is left for the atheist.

[Auzgurl]

Since the beginning of time Politics and Religion have been inseparable..if not for Religion there would be no war..( sheesh..do i have to state the obvious )

I hear a song coming on...









Imagine there's no Heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace

You may say that I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one

Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world

You may say that I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one

[Jovial Monk]

If not for money there would be no war. religion is just the justification.

[crazychemist]

If not for money there would be no war. religion is just the justification.

Agree!!
Money, Greed, Power, Halliburton!! are all just different ways to look at it.

I also would like to state.. If you take all the wars throughout history that were based on a religious basis only..

they wont add up to the roughly 100,000,000 deaths from both WW1 and WW2.
You can blame the numbers on modern weaponary. But hey it's a debate.

peace

[JW Frogen]

See while Bush pretty much attempted to do what he said he would do (agree with it or not) our new Prez has a different view of truth, truth is what ever sounds good at the time.

This is the "change President", so why not constantly change the truth?

For instance Obama stated Guantanamo was a disgrace and he will close it immediately while he was running for the Democratic nomination, then when he is running against McCain he states he will close it within the first year of his Presidency, once elected he states he would consider it a failure of Guantanamo is not closed by the end of his first term.

He runs on the premise that the US should immediately withdrawal from Iraq, then in 16 months, now his VP states they will probably go with the Bush SOFA.

And the Obamites love it, they could care less what he actually does, what promises he breaks, what he actually believes in, he is Obama, not Bush.

Obama, not Bush, that was the extent of their thinking.

Problem is, Obama is becoming, every day, more like Bush when it comes to policy.

[Outlaw Yogi]

... but if one has experienced God then of course that is going to inform their entire life, including their personal politics.

So why should a rational person not assume that the author of such a statement is either delusional or fraudulent?

[JW Frogen]

... but if one has experienced God then of course that is going to inform their entire life, including their personal politics.

So why should a rational person not assume that the author of such a statement is either delusional or fraudulent?

First you must present evidence your are in league with any rational person.

Then you may be able to get to the more complex subject of God experience and religion, secularism and politics.

[xbz]

Definitely NOT. God does not go to war on anyones side. Hitler was a Christian. The suicide bombers are Muslims. People who don't go to war or support war and are highly cynical of the military industrial complex are sane.