Global Warming

[DaS Energy]

Vested interests turned it into a religion, those who believe and those who don't.

Problem is reality and rising sea levels causing all coastal councils to re-lay their sewage pipes so again they have outfall not sea blockage.

[Neferti]

Vested interests turned it into a religion, those who believe and those who don't.

Problem is reality and rising sea levels causing all coastal councils to re-lay their sewage pipes so again they have outfall not sea blockage.

I live on a hill, no sea for an eternity. Should I panic, DaS?

[DaS Energy]

Vested interests turned it into a religion, those who believe and those who don't.

Problem is reality and rising sea levels causing all coastal councils to re-lay their sewage pipes so again they have outfall not sea blockage.

I live on a hill, no sea for an eternity. Should I panic, DaS?

Not if you can defend yourself, as a lot don't live on a hill nor like shit floating across their floor.

[DaS Energy]

So how many people have had imaginary stuff floating across the imaginary rising water on their floor ?

You need refer your question to seaside Councils!

[Super Nova]

Public apathy on climate change is a cause for celebration, not concern

Very cynical of you. You are advocating a process of denial of the true risk we are creating. It will lead to negative economic impact and misery if not addressed. Your precious economy will suffer as will people..

The executive secretary of the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change, Christiana Figueres, has said scientists and UN officials should stop using "weirdo words" when talking about climate change. By talking in scientific jargon and using acronyms that fly over the heads of Joe and Josephine Public, the climate-change lobby is bamboozling rather than enlightening the masses, she said. Panicked that the public switches off – or more likely sinks into a coma – whenever an expert with more PhDs than sense holds forth on climate change, Ms Figueres says climate-change folk are "just not communicating properly".

I agree with this. The average Joe cannot work out what is real and cannot assess the process of science behind the jargon.

What that says SN, is that the debate is over. No one, except for the minority lunatics is listening because the bullshit is so obvious.

Do you note in yourself the same mindset as the Climate Change Advisory Group? The zealotry?

Bullshit. I am not zealous. I am looking at the science and forming an opinion that issue cannot just be ignored as you propose.

Now, look at this. It is such an important issue and the science behind climate change is so compelling that the Us Senate has been sitting all of last night on this issue. Are they just pushing because there is no issue or risk. No.

It is time the politicians take a lead and for the US to lead the political change around the world. Some points extracted from below and my comment

"Despite overwhelming scientific evidence and overwhelming public opinion, climate change deniers still exist," - you are a denier
"It's time for Congress to wake up and get serious about addressing this issue," - about fucking time
"It's time for us to be a bit more cautious and to be less alarmist and to focus more on the science of the situation." - agree with that, there needs to be a less alarmist approach and get everyone to understand the risks and what needs to be done
"Your statements are inconsistent with the overwhelming scientific consensus that climate change is occurring, is caused primarily by humans, and will have serious impacts if unchecked," - hooray - there are finally politicians that are starting to understand the issue... hooray

U.S. Senate Democrats pulling all-nighter on climate change

"Despite overwhelming scientific evidence and overwhelming public opinion, climate change deniers still exist," Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said. "They exist in this country and in this Congress."

The Nevada Democrat made the comments in kicking off the marathon gabfest at 6:27 p.m. on Monday. The final address is expected to end about 15 hours later, at 9 a.m. on Tuesday.

Thirty of the Senate's 53 Democrats, plus the two independents who caucus with them, have signed up to participate. The White House said it would post live tweets during the overnight session under the hashtag #up4climate.

"It's time for Congress to wake up and get serious about addressing this issue," said Senator Sheldon Whitehouse of Rhode Island, a leader of the Climate Action Task Force that organized the event.

Whitehouse told reporters that the talkathon was the "opening salvo" to a more coordinated, years-long push for comprehensive climate legislation.

"We hope that by staying up all night ... we will signal a new dawn of climate change action in Congress," added Senator Ed Markey of Massachusetts.

Many scientists attribute rising temperatures and some extreme weather events worldwide to the increased release of carbon dioxide from burning fossil fuels.

They fear that as carbon dioxide accumulates in the atmosphere, there will be more severe weather, including floods, hurricanes, tornadoes and drought.

After failing to make climate change a priority in his first term, and with no major climate legislation expected from a deeply divided Congress, Democratic President Barack Obama is addressing the issue by wielding his executive powers.

Democrats hope to make it an issue that will rally their liberal base for November's congressional elections.

VULNERABLE DEMOCRATS LIKELY TO BE NO-SHOWS

Not signed on for Monday's event are four Democratic senators regarded as the most vulnerable in November: Mary Landrieu of Louisiana, Kay Hagan of North Carolina, Mark Begich of Alaska, and Mark Pryor of Arkansas.

Early indications were that none of the 45 Republicans in the Senate would participate either.

Republican lawmakers have been among the leading opponents of efforts to address climate change.

Shortly before Senate Democrats began their offensive, Republican Senator Jeff Sessions of Alabama rose to say that many were misinformed about the threat of global warming.

"There has been a lot of exaggeration, there has been a lot of hype," Sessions said. "It's time for us to be a bit more cautious and to be less alarmist and to focus more on the science of the situation."

Last week, Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky told the Cincinnati Enquirer: "For everybody who thinks it's warming, I can find somebody who thinks it isn't."

McConnell has defended Kentucky's coal industry from moves by the Obama administration to limit emissions from power plants, which are blamed for contributing to global warming.

His comments drew a letter on Friday from Whitehouse and Democratic Representative Henry Waxman of California.

"Your statements are inconsistent with the overwhelming scientific consensus that climate change is occurring, is caused primarily by humans, and will have serious impacts if unchecked," the Democrats wrote.

Obama adviser John Podesta, a longtime advocate of climate action, joined the social media site Twitter on Monday before the all-nighter.

In just his second message, Podesta tweeted: "Climate deniers have closed their eyes (and minds) to what's happening to our planet. Stay #Up4Climate all night tonight with @SenateDems."

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/ ... PE20140310

What say you IQ, RS and the other deniers. Will you change your zealous stance of denial when the world stands against your do nothing mantra.

[IQS.RLOW]

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Tell me SN, I will believe the CAGW theory when the facts bear out that this will happen and predictions do actually happen. I will question my belief when they get it right. My belief is they have no idea.

How many times do they have to get it wrong before you question your religion? When and what will cause you to open your eyes and believe the facts?

Bump again, for the third time...

[IQS.RLOW]

Name calling "denier" just shows you have already lost the debate.

Score 1= IQ
Score 0= SN

[Super Nova]

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Tell me SN, I will believe the CAGW theory when the facts bear out that this will happen and predictions do actually happen. I will question my belief when they get it right. My belief is they have no idea.

How many times do they have to get it wrong before you question your religion? When and what will cause you to open your eyes and believe the facts?

Bump again, for the third time...

I question my assumptions and seek to understand the logic and process of the theories that are proposed.

I have questioned why they got it wrong. It is in the 100 pages or so pages in this thread.

It is clear the short term prediction were wrong. That is true. Why this is so has been analysed. They didn't have the data or the models and processing power to be accurate and their assumption were wrong for the dshort term predictions. I also think that some scientists were pandering to the climate change doomsayers so they took a less than cautious view on the short term predictions (that is: the IPPC allowed itself to be influenced by polticis rather then stick to pure science).

Now that is behind us. The current analysis is the best they can come up with and it still is forecasting significant change even if that forecast is more gradual than the previous forecast. The fact still remains that we are warming the earth and we need to take action.

Tell me SN, I will believe the CAGW theory when the facts bear out that this will happen and predictions do actually happen. I will question my belief when they get it right. My belief is they have no idea.

Good. You will start to believe because the new forecast are more cautious and they will start to track to their predicted trends. I look forward to you changing your views as time moves on.

How many times do they have to get it wrong before you question your religion? When and what will cause you to open your eyes and believe the facts?

They can get it wrong because it is impossible to get it exactly right. However with the tolerances they have modelled and forecast I think they are getting it right. The model will provide a feedback loop that will inform and improve the forecast as we progress. My eyes and mind are open. It is time you do the same.

Name calling "denier" just shows you have already lost the debate.

Score 1= IQ
Score 0= SN

Now that is funny.



This game is still in the middle game. I will accept your withdrawal if you can see the end game is your defeat.

[IQS.RLOW]

The game is up sunshine.

The warming isn't as bad as predicted ie climate sensitivity is far below the prediction.
Your gleeful hope of catastrophe on mankind will not happen ie you drank the kool aid.
The science has no idea of the feed backs involved ie ocean warming which they just made up.

You fail at every turn. Spectacularly.

You and the rest of the 'warmy alarmista's' (I may as well stoop to your level) have run out of argument and your posts simply consist of cut and paste opinion pieces - your hairy confirmation bias blatantly poking out the bottom of your shorts.

You believe because you have religion my friend. Plain and simple, because the science does not say what you are saying. Your Vatican, your Scientology church, your IPCC may put these ideas into your head, but they are not science. They are your master, and you are nothing but a follower. A disciple...a sheep.

[IQS.RLOW]

So SN, given your zealotry for CAGW, especially the catastrophic part, I gather you would have no objection to turning every coal fired plant into a nuclear plant?

Please answer and not evade like you did my last question. I don't want to chase you around rubbing your face in your own droppings.