Global Warming

[DaS Energy]

Sorry again. All I remember is it caused a great stir, as their instruments recorded a cooling not a heating. Do remember it was posted Political Animal, possibly this thread"
Will look!

[Rorschach]

Dumb as Shyt...
Stupid Nodder...
I've never denied that there was warming Nodder... I just don't deny the real science and unlike you I haven't become an inquisitional zealot to the god of man made climate change
I always though you were more sensible.

[IQS.RLOW]

Well, seeing it seems to be appeals to authority, or appeals to your Cardinals that convince you of your religion, then I guess the 50000 Physicists are just heretics then?

Let me ask you SN, if the physicists decide that they need to alter their message, will you?

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The 50,000-strong American body of physicists, the American Physical Society (APS), seems to be turning significantly sceptical on climate alarmism.

The same APS put out a formal statement in 2007 adding its voice to the alarmist hue and cry. That statement caused resignations of some of its top physicists…

By its statutes, the APS must review such policy statements each half-decade and that scheduled review is now under way… The review, run by the society’s Panel on Public Affairs, includes four powerful shocks for the alarmist science establishment.

First, a sub-committee has looked at the recent 5th Report of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change and formulated scores of critical questions about the weak links in the IPCC’s methods and findings. In effect, it’s a non-cosy audit of the IPCC’s claims on which the global campaign against CO2 is based.
Second, the sub-committee, after ‘consulting broadly’, appointed a panel to workshop the questions and then provide input to the new official statement on climate. The appointed panel of six, amazingly, includes three eminent sceptic scientists: Richard Lindzen, John Christy, and Judith Curry. The other three members comprise long-time IPCC stalwart Ben Santer (who, in 1996, drafted, in suspicious circumstances, the original IPCC mantra about a “discernible” influence of manmade CO2 on climate), an IPCC lead author and modeler William Collins, and atmospheric physicist Isaac Held.

Third, the sub-committee is ensuring the entire process is publicly transparent — not just the drafts and documents, but the workshop discussions, which have been taped, transcribed and officially published, in a giant record running to 500+ pages.

Fourth, the APS will publish its draft statement to its membership, inviting comments and feedback.

....It seems a good bet that the APS will break ranks with the world’s collection of peak science bodies, including the Australian Academy of Science, and tell the public, softly or boldly, that IPCC science is not all it’s cracked up to be…

The American Physical Society’s audit questions are pretty trenchant. Just to recite some of them points in the can of worms soon to be authoritatively exposed. Here’s a selection:

...While the Global Mean Surface Temperature (GMST) rose strongly from 1980-98, it has shown no significant rise for the past 15 years…[The APS notes that neither the 4th nor 5th IPCC report modeling suggested any stasis would occur, and then asks] …

To what would you attribute the stasis?…

What are the implications of this statis for confidence in the models and their projections?

What do you see as the likelihood of solar influences beyond TSI (total solar irradiance)? Is it coincidence that the statis has occurred during the weakest solar cycle (ie sunspot activity) in about a century?

Some have suggested that the ‘missing heat’ is going into the deep ocean…

Are deep ocean observations sufficient in coverage and precision to bear on this hypothesis quantitatively?

Why would the heat sequestration have ‘turned on’ at the turn of this century?…

IPCC suggests that the stasis can be attributed in part to ‘internal variability’. Yet climate models imply that a 15-year stasis is very rare and models cannot reproduce the observed Global Mean Surface Temperature even with the observed radiative forcing.

What is the definition of ‘internal variability’?…

How long must the statis persist before there would be a firm declaration of a problem with the models? If that occurs, would the fix entail: ... A re-examination of fundamental assumptions?…

What do you consider to be the most important gaps in current understanding?


The rate of [ocean] rise during 1930-1950 was comparable to, if not larger than, the value in recent years. Please explain that circumstance in light of the presumed monotonic [steady] increase from anthropogenic effects.

The IPCC-projected rise of up to 1m by the end of this century would require an average rate of up to 12mm/yr for the rest of this century, some four times the current rate, and an order of magnitude larger than implied by the 20th century acceleration of 0.01mm/yr found in some studies. What drives the projected sea level rise? To what extent is it dependent upon a continued rise in Global Mean Surface Temperature?…

[Super Nova]

I like it and do appreciate the effort Lucas.

[DaS Energy]

Many are of the mind that since recording started 7,881,775, and counting, tonnes of man made Carbon dumped in our atmosphere between the earth and the sun has no effect on earths climate or weather pattern.

[DaS Energy]

Your lack of achievement at anything is well noted by all!

[IQS.RLOW]

As opposed to someone who spends their life online spamming forums about a non-existent magical energy equivalent of the human centipede sewed in a circle?

[DaS Energy]

Learnt how use a knife an fork yet, so may years with baby spoon, but with your mental capacity it keeps you safe from yourself!

[IQS.RLOW]

Learnt how use a knife an fork yet, so may years with baby spoon, but with your mental capacity it keeps you safe from yourself!

Last time I used a baby spoon son, I dug out a mans eye balls and fed them to him. You sound like you want to play 'Heinz' like him, boy?. You sure you up to it, sunshine?

[DaS Energy]

Learnt how use a knife an fork yet, so may years with baby spoon, but with your mental capacity it keeps you safe from yourself!

Last time I used a baby spoon son, I dug out a mans eye balls and fed them to him. You sound like you want to play 'Heinz' like him, boy?. You sure you up to it, sunshine?

Being an old sheep farmer I can have your balls out before you can bleat! Your all piss and wind little baby, all piss and wind when not lots of shit.