NBN take up = 16%

[Jovial Monk]

Nope. Why have a hopeless system with copper or wireless in it?

You have changed your tune tho. I agree wireless is useless in metro areas but more useful in sparsely inhabited rural areas.

To get the maximum benefit of the NBN everyone needs high bandwidth, households, small business, doctors surgeries the lot.

Putting wireless in there is hopeless, slows everything right down again! shuts down whole blocks or groups of blocks when it rains etc! Why? Would be better to argue have the last mile as copper, except that means Telstra can fuck it up with pricing etc and the copper network is degrading. Would have to run new copper because the old stuff is rooted with pair gain everywhere! FTTH is the way to go!

Nah, the type of wireless that will take off is wifi. We have had idiots spouting about $3000 to rewire a house. Why? Easiest is just to have a wireless router to connect computers etc. Maybe a Cat6 cable to the lounge or family room for IPTV.

[Super Nova]

Nope. Why have a hopeless system with copper or wireless in it?

You have changed your tune tho. I agree wireless is useless in metro areas but more useful in sparsely inhabited rural areas.

To get the maximum benefit of the NBN everyone needs high bandwidth, households, small business, doctors surgeries the lot.

Putting wireless in there is hopeless, slows everything right down again! Would be better to argue have the last mile as copper, except that means Telstra can fuck it up with pricing etc and the copper network is degrading. FTTH is the way to go!

Nah, the type of wireless that will take off is wifi. We have had idiots spouting about $3000 to rewire a house. Why? Easiest is just to have a wireless router to connect computers etc. Maybe a Cat6 cable to the lounge or family room for IPTV.

I don't think I have changed my tune. i think you need to read what i have said. However instead of laying fibre i did argue that we could have fibre to areas in cities and then the last mile by wireless/wifi. that would be cheaper.

On the wireless/wifi you are correct.

So what is really going to happen. People are going to have fibre to their door just to plug it into a wireless (wifi) router. What is the difference if that router was a mile away. Or your home router could connect to a wireless router a mile away.

I still don't see the need for fibre to the door of every house. I agree we need a backbone to carry the network but there is no need for fibre to the door of every house just so they can add on a local wireless router. So wireless (wifi) is the future... it is just how far into the network you take it.

[Jovial Monk]

“You paint a picture that can be delivered with alternative to NBN.”

NO!

Only the NBN provides the bandwidth and symmetry that can make working from home much more possible—the high quality video calls etc—so let us wait until the NBN is rolled out.


http://www.abc.net.au/technology/articl ... 041543.htm


The router in the home is a wifi one, the router a mile away is hopeless, slow, asymmetric wireless broad-ishband. Would not save a cent IMHO and you introduce all the evils of stupid wireless into a high bandwidth symmetric network!

[Jovial Monk]

It needs to be FTTH so everyone has that high speed and symmetry.

The copper can’t do it. Wireless is too slow!

Read the Whirlpool forums, frequently some Lib fanboi comes in sprouting the (nonexistent) virtues of wireless only to get shot down n short order. What is this diseased reflex that we must have wireless?

[Super Nova]

What is this diseased reflex that we must have wireless?

I think it is cost and the knowledge that there are significant innovations in this aea.

Cost is the driver behind the thinking.

[Jovial Monk]

You will have to specify how that saves any money at all. Then admit it would make the NBN no better than what we have now!

The FO cables go down each street through the Telstra pits/tunnels, it is not like new trenches have to be dug/filled in! Wireless would need a tower in every street. Like I said, a diseased reflex that wireless is this great new technology of tomorrow, it isn’t!

Wireless and copper both suffer from attenuation with distance. They suck now and forever, performance depends on how far you are away from exchange/tower, the service is not symmetric and bandwidth is low. Wireless is affected by rain, lightning etc, the copper is old and degraded, full of pair gain and the like.

You want people limited to 12mbps using crap wireless and that’s all there is too it. Fuck you and the horse you rode in on, I want 100 symmetric mbps MINIMUM! You must have some financial or other interest in wireless but I ain’t buying! Fortuately the govt isn’t listening to nuts like you!

[Jovial Monk]

http://nbnmyths.wordpress.com/

Note what that article says re those pushing for wireless: they either sell wireless junk now or have a small FTTP network that they charge thousands for and don’t want the NBN offering FTTP for $30-40/month for phone and internet! And some dickweeds opposing the NBN out of mere partisan political interests.

Were do you fit, SN?

[Jovial Monk]

http://nbnexplained.org/wordpress/technical-points/

A couple of great graphs there. 3G wireless subscriptions growing fast, DSL still growing its base. Then you look at the amount of data accessed via 3g and DSL, DSL wins that so hands down it smashes any stupid theories/partisan viewpoints that wireless can be an alternate technology. wireless is complementary AT BEST!

That article also shows FTTN saves bugger all amounts of money and if FTTN was built that is all we would ever have.

Considering wireless/copper speeds over short distances, forgetting for the moment the many problems with the degraded copper network, wireless would be the WORST last-mile technology!

The government made the right decision. Only sectional and partisan interests try and argue against it.

[You have not] read any of the original 2008 'NBN' threads......Think cost, compensation to the copper owner, cut off of other ISP's DSLAM's, installation time, non-easy-upgradeable to FTTH (Surprise!), etc. It would have been a waste of money and time as T$ did not want to cooperate anyway.

http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-re ... #r26384757

SN you are not arguing honestly (unless you are pig ignorant of this stuff.)

Fibre has 60year lifetime (10 years more than the copper CAN) regardless of whether cables are buried or slung overhead.
http://www.sterlitetechnologies.com/pdf ... fetime.pdf

Oh and here is how poorly any form of wireless copes as the number of subscribers grows:


Now SN, HM customers would there be for any specific FFN node if that covers an area of a Km radius, hmm? More than 20? Bound to be! So we build this great FO network and limit it down worse than dialup I imagine by using wireless to cover the last mile! What the FUCK is your agenda here SN? Either the NBN is useless because of your idiotic suggestion or people ignore it and get 11mbps/2mbps on next-gen wireless. Is that your agenda SN? to use wireless without totally crippling the NBN we would need an antenna for every 10 houses say. Where is the saving in that, hey? Please explain!

Knowing that we can see that mobile connections are growing in number, as are DSL connections:
http://nbnexplained.org/wordpress/wp-co ... 0/10/2.jpg

Now let us look at data downloaded:
http://i.imgur.com/XGCc4.png
You will have to click on the links because the pathetic limits of this pathetic board are way limiting!

You are peddling lies for some sectional or partisan reason!

Couple more things. firstly, the misleading title of this thread:
http://www.itnews.com.au/News/235806,nb ... fibre.aspx

Chief executive officer Mike Quigley told a Senate Estimates committee hearing that an average of 77 percent of residents in four of the five mainland first-release sites wanted to connect to the National Broadband Network.

But Townsville in far north Queensland was lagging with just 54 percent of consent forms returned; Quigley said he "expected that figure to kick up in the next couple of weeks".

Chief executive officer Mike Quigley told a Senate Estimates committee hearing that an average of 77 percent of residents in four of the five mainland first-release sites wanted to connect to the National Broadband Network.

He said 87 percent of the residents in the NSW regional town of Armidale agreed to fibre, followed by Willunga (SA, 84 percent) and Kiama/Minnamurra Downs (NSW, 74 percent).

So Townsville, redneck or bogan central, has AT LEAST 54% taking up the NBN! Probably more! Up to 87% in Armidale! Coalition supporters deserting the coalition stand in droves! Imagine when it is even half rolled out and reports of what it is possible to do and how fast and smooth it all is and 99% take ups will be the order of the day! The first capital city to have the NBN rolled out will have 95% acceptance!

[IQSRLOW]

And you are peddling a service that is a want, not a need and expect every Australian to pay for your wasteful idea.

You communist, socialist filthy piece of shit.

Money that could be better spent on hospitals and health that your precious stste labor govt spent years trashing.

The last thing anyone wants is their tax paying dollars going towards giving you more and faster access to the Internet. Imagine how much faster you could make a cock of yourself

[Jovial Monk]

I see IQ has made a post. Fuck you you fucking Labor fanboi would be the extent of it, so I won’t bother clicking to show me your post IQ. Sorry I’m sure. You oppose the NBN for party political reasons making you just as bad and empty-headed as the fucking Greens blocking the ETS and setting back renewable energy for years!