Should God be used in Politics

[Godless]

In the American election I see numerous references to God. Should God be removed from the whole landscape so our elected reps can get on the the tasks at hand and not hide behind this imaginary entity?

[JW Frogen]

The entity is real, the politics is, well politics.

Welcome to the real reality.

[White Indigene]

I thought I might entertain the Godless.

Given that JW has tried, and JC failed to convince all, perhaps WI can have a bit of fun. Depends moslty on the chivalrous capabilities of the profane poster I spose.

Anyway, who says God plays a part in politics? I mean, most people who are the churchy types, merely call upon God for help. Their is really very few direct claims by those in power these days (thinking of Churchill), that God does anything at all. Usually, there are just simple, though deffered pleas, to what might otherwise exist in the form of a devine power.

SO, it is thus really a fantasy of the profaner, who proclaims from a platform of generalised ignorance, that God plays any part in politics; it is they who proclaim that beleivers say God runs politics. For the most part, I would say that God prefers to stay out of politics. Sure, He wants to be called to the personal life of individuals, but generallly, that is as far as it goes.

Chauvinists however, want a more group-think entity to match the fantasy of their existence. That being a Utopian presence of some ordering power. And since God is but a 'fantasy', this leaves only the great cause of Party thinking.

Hence, the muscular posturing of the anti-christs serve the needs of fellow travellers in chivalry, and all the social glory a battle of might versus bright campaign might offer. In the end though, an omnipotent power will conquer all, and as the old saying goes- "There can be only one".

Well, I did live in the highlands and clouds.

[freediver]

I guess the answer depends on the mechanism for removal. No Australian politician could get away with saying God told him to invade Iraq. This is not because it is somehow illegal or unconstitutional, but because the Australian people would realise he was a dangerous crackpot. It would be nice if the American people stopped voting for God and started thinking a bit more for themselves.

[White Indigene]

Maybe Iraq is still relevant, maybe not.

Wailing about it offers nothing.

However, when we look at the crackpot regime currently running this country, we see a worse scenario. One where the bandits on wheels and the hate engine of the nation unite with the Party as one, to make fantasy real; that fantasy being Platos' Republic here on our shores.

I have noticed only one referendum, or application to the public for permission to build a republic, and it was rejected soundly in 1998. Yet here it comes. Now there is a travesty really worth historical oversight, for when we loose the democracy they will sit back from our shores saying woe, woe to that once great garden- now a gulag.

We mention crackpots, but most dont look to far when doing so.

[JW Frogen]

Stalin never mentioned God.

[White Indigene]

Stalin said: "The cadres decide everything".

[Outlaw Yogi]

It's a perverse human reality that god via religion with mass psychosis and feeble minds for back-up manipulates and interfers with politics and so impacts on the secular community.
When I become dictator religion will be relegated to the bookshelf between philosophy and mythology. Political parties and lobby groups fronting for socially retarded religious fundamentalists - like Festival of Light, Australian Christian Lobby and Family First - will be abolished, religious faith deemed a treatable illness, and churches taxed just like any other business.

God told me to invade Iraq, Bush tells Palestinian ministers
http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressr ... bush.shtml

Nabil Shaath says: "President Bush said to all of us: 'I'm driven with a mission from God. God would tell me, "George, go and fight those terrorists in Afghanistan." And I did, and then God would tell me, "George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq …" And I did. And now, again, I feel God's words coming to me, "Go get the Palestinians their state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle East." And by God I'm gonna do it.'"

[JW Frogen]

Tony Blair recently said something interesting, he said if one has faith in God of course that will inform every decision they make. If one believes there is a higher purpose or power in this world then of course they are going to attempt to transcend their own personal egos and use politics to seek a higher end.

Blair simply admitted he was not open about it while in office. (There is a wonderful story about how Blair was attending a Good Friday church service and his press man Alistair Campbell was trying to orchestrate the press, he told Tony to stay away from the procession of the cross so no picture could be taken with him near a cross and then asked Tony if the cross could be removed from the procession all together just to be safe! Tony laughed and told him the cross was kind of the entire point of Good Friday.)

Bush is from Texas, so he is honest.

A concept many atheists have trouble with.

The difference between them and say an atheist who demands they not even base their political life (as if this can be divorced from their personal life) on any concept of God, that they MUST be atheist in their political life, or a fundamentalist who demands one's personal belief in God be enforced on others, is that neither man did demand a universal compliance with their belief in God, they only sought inspiration from their faith to inform them personally on some tough decisions that must be made.

[TomB]

Bush is from Texas, so he is honest.



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