Sufficient revenue to cover the responsibilities as determined by the Australian Public

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GraGra2
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Sufficient revenue to cover the responsibilities as determined by the Australian Public

Post by GraGra2 » Wed Aug 31, 2022 7:59 pm

State and Federal Governments are not being the 'adults' in the room for seeking a systemic improvement across revenue changes.
Some examples are following below in this article and are not comprehensive in any way but indicative only.

Health - insufficient funds for the purpose that the Australian Public seeks? Community, Residential and Hospitals are all short of funds yet no change has been made over 30 years of Governments - toxic workplaces are a result as resources (human and material) shortages exist for the jobs to be done effectively and without 'systemic' blocks! How will the demarcation (State and Federal) responsibilities be resolved?

NDIS - No insurance scheme but a fancy title? Why not an NDIS levy like the Medicare Levy? The demand for services is huge and growing.

Education - where are the funds for standards to be improved in all sectors from preschool to University level?

Tertiary degrees: What happened to standards of education? Why are universities 'dumming down' the academic standards to fill seats (bums in seats = money paid to them). Less about 'quality' education and more about 'milking the system for money'. Students are not being educated to the standards needed? Some courses will take students on pass rates that ultimately are not producing the quality sought?

TAFE: Systemic issues around educators with the required/necessar skills to do quality teaching? Why is a hairdresser teaching nursing? Multiple examples exist of the wrong skills/education teaching a subject. Selection is not based on 'standards' of knowledge / skills but on what criteria - industrial relations or something else?

Apprenticeships: Where is the quality education /training for this? Is the shift to online and not classroom experiences the very best way for retaining of apprentices? Is industry being responsible or is the quality of education and training an issue in this sector?

The securing of sufficient funds for these projects has failed State and Federal Governments for decades - COAG (Council of Australian Governments) failed and is now disbanded in favour of National Cabinet (Federal and State Leaders 'group fest'?) States (any party) and Federal (any party) have failed to come to some agreement as to how to fund the needs of States and Federal responsibilities. No love lost in that 'perceptual' political chasm?

Election after election, the Elephant in the room is ignored. There is no consensus and all Governments of all political persuasions have failed to develop pollicies to address the funding shortfall.

Victoria- sponsorship/ loan forgiveness or debt relief for a systemic failure for nursing graduates. The problem is the post graduate paid work experience and the lack of paid clinical work placements for graduates. The system is flawed and the States and Federals have avoided the issue of nurses getting paid clinical experience. One solution would be that an extra year of paid clinical practice would provide resources for the health care facilities to actually employ graduates instead of a huge number (statistics are available) of those who do not get paid clinical experience within 12 months of graduating!!

Police force recruitment - where are the University graduates being employed with specific skills for a range of responsibilities of the police forces?
What Information system is being developed for a national system of notifications so that boundaries for criminals are not 'blocks' for police investigations? Is there a national policy that has been adopted or is it a system by system co-operation patch work quilt?

If anyone has knowledge of the revenue versus expense side of things for Governments as well as system issues, this is the ideal opportunity to enlighten members. :read :read

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Re: Sufficient revenue to cover the responsibilities as determined by the Australian Public

Post by Bobby » Thu Sep 01, 2022 8:22 am

Thanks for posting a new topic.
We need new members here and new ideas.

I remember when universities were free of charge.
They were an investment in our future.

Jovial Monk

Re: Sufficient revenue to cover the responsibilities as determined by the Australian Public

Post by Jovial Monk » Thu Sep 01, 2022 10:16 am

Aussie trying to make his socks look real :rofl :rofl :rofl

They can’t vote in the Referendum to vote Lemobby out as Mod.

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Re: Sufficient revenue to cover the responsibilities as determined by the Australian Public

Post by Bobby » Thu Sep 01, 2022 1:04 pm

Jovial Monk wrote:
Thu Sep 01, 2022 10:16 am
Aussie trying to make his socks look real :rofl :rofl :rofl

They can’t vote in the Referendum to vote Lemobby out as Mod.

That's a real person - a new member.

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Re: Sufficient revenue to cover the responsibilities as determined by the Australian Public

Post by Nom De Plume » Thu Sep 01, 2022 3:01 pm

GraGra2 wrote:
Wed Aug 31, 2022 7:59 pm
State and Federal Governments are not being the 'adults' in the room for seeking a systemic improvement across revenue changes.
Some examples are following below in this article and are not comprehensive in any way but indicative only.

Health - insufficient funds for the purpose that the Australian Public seeks? Community, Residential and Hospitals are all short of funds yet no change has been made over 30 years of Governments - toxic workplaces are a result as resources (human and material) shortages exist for the jobs to be done effectively and without 'systemic' blocks! How will the demarcation (State and Federal) responsibilities be resolved?

NDIS - No insurance scheme but a fancy title? Why not an NDIS levy like the Medicare Levy? The demand for services is huge and growing.

Education - where are the funds for standards to be improved in all sectors from preschool to University level?

Tertiary degrees: What happened to standards of education? Why are universities 'dumming down' the academic standards to fill seats (bums in seats = money paid to them). Less about 'quality' education and more about 'milking the system for money'. Students are not being educated to the standards needed? Some courses will take students on pass rates that ultimately are not producing the quality sought?

TAFE: Systemic issues around educators with the required/necessar skills to do quality teaching? Why is a hairdresser teaching nursing? Multiple examples exist of the wrong skills/education teaching a subject. Selection is not based on 'standards' of knowledge / skills but on what criteria - industrial relations or something else?

Apprenticeships: Where is the quality education /training for this? Is the shift to online and not classroom experiences the very best way for retaining of apprentices? Is industry being responsible or is the quality of education and training an issue in this sector?

The securing of sufficient funds for these projects has failed State and Federal Governments for decades - COAG (Council of Australian Governments) failed and is now disbanded in favour of National Cabinet (Federal and State Leaders 'group fest'?) States (any party) and Federal (any party) have failed to come to some agreement as to how to fund the needs of States and Federal responsibilities. No love lost in that 'perceptual' political chasm?

Election after election, the Elephant in the room is ignored. There is no consensus and all Governments of all political persuasions have failed to develop pollicies to address the funding shortfall.

Victoria- sponsorship/ loan forgiveness or debt relief for a systemic failure for nursing graduates. The problem is the post graduate paid work experience and the lack of paid clinical work placements for graduates. The system is flawed and the States and Federals have avoided the issue of nurses getting paid clinical experience. One solution would be that an extra year of paid clinical practice would provide resources for the health care facilities to actually employ graduates instead of a huge number (statistics are available) of those who do not get paid clinical experience within 12 months of graduating!!

Police force recruitment - where are the University graduates being employed with specific skills for a range of responsibilities of the police forces?
What Information system is being developed for a national system of notifications so that boundaries for criminals are not 'blocks' for police investigations? Is there a national policy that has been adopted or is it a system by system co-operation patch work quilt?

If anyone has knowledge of the revenue versus expense side of things for Governments as well as system issues, this is the ideal opportunity to enlighten members. :read :read
If it is that the Capitalists and their financers want for healthy and sufficiently educated people to exploit for their own benefit, and they do, then they should pay for that privilege... which they dont atm.

Let all education and healthcare be free paid for via various taxes and royalties paid to the State by the Capitalists and their financiers.
"But you will run your kunt mouth at me. And I will take it, to play poker."

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Re: Sufficient revenue to cover the responsibilities as determined by the Australian Public

Post by Bobby » Thu Sep 01, 2022 3:55 pm

Nom De Plume wrote:
Thu Sep 01, 2022 3:01 pm

If it is that the Capitalists and their financers want for healthy and sufficiently educated people to exploit for their own benefit, and they do, then they should pay for that privilege... which they dont atm.

Let all education and healthcare be free paid for via various taxes and royalties paid to the State by the Capitalists and their financiers.

It used to be paid for out of all our taxes.
Universities were free when I was young.

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Re: Sufficient revenue to cover the responsibilities as determined by the Australian Public

Post by Thwakball » Sat Sep 03, 2022 8:12 pm

In the late 80's the excise revenue from BP covered the old age pension.
Excise was indexed twice a year to the CPI.
In 2001 the government suspended indexation when the pols turned against them.
In 2014 indexation was reintroduced.
In 2022 excise was halved to 22.1 c/L after the price of petrol rose.
On September 29th the excise will rise to 44.2 c/L.

Ignoring which government changed excise consider the following
  • Cars have become more efficient which lowers excise revenue.
  • The number of people on the old age pension has increased which increases the demand on revenue.
  • Petrol cars are being replaced by electric cars which lowers revenue from excise.
  • Voters will not vote for a person or party that advocates increasing the excise on petrol.
The only instance I can remember of voters wanting an increase in tax was for the Medicare levy to be increased to cover NDIS. And even though a change to the Medicare levy to allow this was put to the House of Representatives, it didn't pass.

And who votes for the government? We do.

It's convenient to call for BP to pay the bill but raising excise hits the voters pocket.
Eventually the revenue from excise will be negligible and the old age pensioners will resort to eating cat food and none of this is the fault of the government. After all we voted for them.

Now where did I leave the cat????

Aussie

Re: Sufficient revenue to cover the responsibilities as determined by the Australian Public

Post by Aussie » Sun Sep 04, 2022 9:28 am

Freezer, with the teeth and glasses?

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Re: Sufficient revenue to cover the responsibilities as determined by the Australian Public

Post by Bobby » Sun Sep 04, 2022 12:22 pm

Thwakball wrote:
Sat Sep 03, 2022 8:12 pm
In the late 80's the excise revenue from BP covered the old age pension.

It's convenient to call for BP to pay the bill but raising excise hits the voters pocket.

What is BP ?

Aussie

Re: Sufficient revenue to cover the responsibilities as determined by the Australian Public

Post by Aussie » Sun Sep 04, 2022 12:36 pm

Bobby wrote:
Sun Sep 04, 2022 12:22 pm
Thwakball wrote:
Sat Sep 03, 2022 8:12 pm
In the late 80's the excise revenue from BP covered the old age pension.

It's convenient to call for BP to pay the bill but raising excise hits the voters pocket.

What is BP ?









I am guessing....British Petroleum?

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