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Dumbing us down more - if that's possible

Post by mantra » Sat Dec 10, 2011 8:45 am

We've all noticed the decline over the last couple of decades in mathematical skills, but it's going to get a lot worse. Australia has a serious shortage of mathematicians and scientists yet the Gillard government is doing the same to these potential professionals as Howard did to potential doctors - reducing the budget so alarmingly that maths and science are becoming defunct.

We are so depleted in clever people that we're paying astronomical wages to bring them here from overseas. Maths and Science used to be an important part of the curriculum in generations past, but now these subjects are not worthy of decent funding or even rate much of a mention for that matter. Although we have fallen behind developing nations in our investment in education, this government has still chosen to remove any remaining incentives to study these subjects.
AUSTRALIA'S ambition to become the "clever country" is in tatters because it cannot produce enough experts in the two most critical disciplines - mathematics and science.

Top scientists and mathematicians, furious about the Gillard government's $400 million cut in HECS fee relief and axed school science programs, warn Australia is in serious danger of losing its mantle as a world leader in education.

In a bid to return the Australian economy to surplus Treasurer Wayne Swan has taken the razor to education, increasing annual HECS fees for university science and maths students from $4691 to $8353 - cancelling the incentive to study those subjects.

Barry Jones, a former science minister in the Hawke government, said just 9 per cent of Australian university students enrol in the sciences of physics, chemistry and mathematics when the OECD average is 13 per cent and in South-East Asia it is 26 per cent."It looks bad," he said.

"There are serious problems in maths and sciences in Australia generally."

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The "deficiency" starts in primary schools with a high proportion of teachers themselves uneasy with maths and science and by high school, students move on to other interests, Mr Jones added.

And the crisis is set to worsen by 2020 when Australia will have more PhD mathematicians retiring from the workforce than entering it - despite a 55 per cent increase in demand across all sectors of the economy.

The Australian Mathematical Sciences Institute is so worried about the decline it is planning a national advertisement campaign on buses and trains to promote the impact of maths and statistics on people's "daily lives and on their health and wellbeing".

The head of the School of Mathematics and Statistics at the University of NSW, Anthony Dooley, warned the cut to HECS would affect student numbers in the core subjects.

"The country needs more mathematicians and scientists ... our enrolments have been going up by 10 per cent a year and that growth is a realisation that maths and science are crucial to the world's future," Prof Dooley said.

"We need the government to realise that this is a crucial national priority ... we need to be clever and we need people with mathematical skills to drive the economy forward."

The number of advanced maths students across Australia dropped by 25 per cent between 1995 and 2008, while university maths majors fell by 15 per cent between 2001 and 2008. The Australian Academy of Science also urged the government to do more to support the subjects.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/s ... 6218587046

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Re: Dumbing us down more - if that's possible

Post by mellie » Sat Dec 10, 2011 12:48 pm

In a bid to return the Australian economy to surplus Treasurer Wayne Swan has taken the razor to education, increasing annual HECS fees for university science and maths students from $4691 to $8353 - cancelling the incentive to study those subjects.
- Outrageous!!!


Dumbing us down indeed, and it doesn't stop there, it stars with their school curriculum, particularly that of public education, and do you know why Manta?


Because it creates more uni spots for moneyed families and international full-fee payers kids to enter not based purely on merit/IQ, it also encourages full-fee paying students (ie immigrants and the wealthy) to buy into our University education.

Coupled with GALP slapping uni students with compulsory student union fees each year and their pruning rural kids studying away from home out of the equation also...(cut back on studying/living away from home accommodation incentives and allowances for rural kids in Australia that once made it possible for bright rural Aussie kids to embark on tertiary study ie live on campus)...... Now only the rich kids can do this, when half the time, they live close enough to their chosen campus anyway thus really only do it for the cultural experience, not out of genuine necessity, because they will pay the price, as will moneyed international full-fee paying students.
Before it was heavily subsidised for rural Aussie kids.

The thing is Mantra, it's about dumbing the middle and lower tiers of our Australian society down to create more spots for full-fee paying students ----This is how Swan plans to save the day by destroying opportunities for middle class kids today so they will mine quarries in fluorescent shirts with shovels instead to uphold our bulging top-heavy upper tiers of society, and dwindling middle class tomorrow.


They want a two-speed society along with a two-speed economy... and plan on turning us into America, whereby only rich kids get to go to Yale, the rest (irrespective of how smart they are) go off to their local community college to form part of a shrinking middle class.

Just as Bill Shorten (who is infatuated with the US) wants to implement an American style republic and election campaign system here in Australia...(Ie, only the moneyed will have enough $$ to run for presidency) likewise, our highly sort after and competitive courses in our universities will become inaccessible to the middle class also.


Irrespective of how bright they are...they simply wont be able to afford their chosen career path, even if they happen to be lucky enough to live close to their preferred university.

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This is what some voted for Mantra, it's just, it's only now are we realising what their (Gillards and the red-Greens) underlying agenda is, and always was.

Socialism ---to--- communism in less than 3 years.

Fantastic!


And they call this moving forward, apparently.

Tell this to our youth whom unless they are wealthy really don't have the same choices, opportunities they once had under a better, more democratic Liberal government.

Howard scrapped compulsory student union fees, Labor and the red-Greens (GALP) re-introduced them.

This is just the start.

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Why do I say red-greens?

Because there are red-Greens and grass-roots genuinely green-Greens...sadly, it's the red-Greens who have positioned themselves to call the shots in recent years, much to the genuinely "Green" supporters despair.

This can happen to any party, and had Turnbull been allowed to remain leader of the Liberal party, the same thing would have happened here to the Libs, hence they have effectively ousted him quietly and for good reason.

He has a red centre also, this and is out for himself, and like Shorten, is moneyed, and wants to self-fund his own American styled election campaign.

Hence a republic suits him also!

Every party has their greedy turncoats and red-centres.

Effectively, this is the systemic and intellectual purging of our bright middle class, now we will have kids who's moneyed parents purchased their way to pseudo-academic 'exam-scaled' excellence and their preferred uni course, not those who are genuinely gifted, capable, and who genuinely deserve to be studding these courses now beyond their financial reach.

Such a pity, because this declining standard will impact on all of us in the long run, who would you prefer performing surgery on your brain, a naturally gifted student who earned his or her way to professional excellence based on natural ability and determination, or Paris Hilton or Bob Brown with a surgical mask who felt like playing Dr for a day, or year or so because daddy could purchase her place (right of passage) into med-school, and who only did so for the title and status simply because their parents wanted them to and they could?

Do you really think Bob Brown wanted to be a Dr?

He was "acting-out" and his parents sent him off to med-school thinking he'd settle down and become more stable, he has a concerning psychiatric history,(which started well before he was sexually abused by his male school teacher) this and would never have afforded med-school had he not blackmailed his high school teacher into footing the course-fees.

His parents were opportunistic parasites, and so is he!
What sort of parents would agree to settle out of court for a sum of money knowing full well, this teacher who abused their son would mostly likely go onto to abuse others if not brought to justice and publicly exposed?

They took the money and ran.. saw it as an opportunity to get a young already troubled bobby into a course he wouldn't have got into had they not took the money and settled out of court.

You can place a dunce in a class/med-school full of geniuses, but unless they are academically capable this and determined, the genius wont rub off.
This was why he hooked up with that other crook/crack-pot, now de-registered fraudulent Dr Death he completed his internship with in the UK after attending med-school together here in Sydney.

They were on the same page!


Ask Jimmy Hendrix who he would have preferred in Emergency the night intern Dr come senator Bob Brown along with another Australian intern (Now de-registered for medical negligence and malpractice) fresh out of med-school pronounced him dead.

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Re: Dumbing us down more - if that's possible

Post by mellie » Sat Dec 10, 2011 3:21 pm

The question is Mantra, do we want kids like this purchasing their way into high-demand university courses simply because they have the financial means?

Or do we want an intake from a much larger more diverse naturally inclined pool of students from a variety of socio-economical and cultural backgrounds having rightfully earned their spot based on merit?

I actually feel sorry for kids like Bob Brown, following their parents dreams not their own.

He never wanted to be a Doctor, not really, as has been demonstrated.

His parents should have encouraged him to be himself and follow his own dreams...even if this meant letting him become a gay artist or photographer.


Personally, I think all students wanting to enter high-demand courses should be required to sit a full psychometric evaluation,IN ENGLISH (Too many kids are coached, their HSC results artificially inflated, this and aren't really capable) and when an entire year performs poorly, rather than fail half the year,(as this is a slur on the university and their teaching staff) they scale the marks so the standard is dropping all the time, especially now we have increased our international full-fee paying student intake, some who can hardly speak a word of English attending lectures and sitting exams.

How do they pass?

They have the student guild re-write /translate their essays for them over and over again until they make the grade, so long as they are full-fee paying and continue to pay, our universities will continue taking their money before more local and capable talent who don't require this assistance.

The GAMSAT isn't enough!

There was a guy on our campus (Full-fee paying mature-aged international student) who had been studying the same degree for 7 years, lol...he's probably still there.
Rookwood cemetery was just over the road, so when he's done, they can throw him over the fence.

Handy!

Come to think of it, this was probably why our anatomy labs were always well-stocked with cadavers, if they stopped paying their fees... :lol:

So long as they keep paying, our universities will continue stuffing them in, even though they know it's unlikely they will graduate in a timely manner given they cant even speak English, this and are quite taxing on student services, hence GALP decided to make student union fees compulsory, to try and compensate for their special needs, that Australian students don't need.

Without Student 'union' services practically re-writing their essays for them, (Have to be a student union member for access to this privy ) this and have a 'special' enrolment with particular needs, ie, non-speaka-de-engadesh/full-fee paying international student, 70 year old mature age student with a short term memory problem and a bad back... these students would not get through without these special services regular students neither require or are entitled to.

See, for regular and deserving Australian HECS (fee-deferring) students who don't require these 'special' services, student 'guild' (union) membership was a waste of time unless you were a budding Labor or Greens hopeful wanting to pursue a political career or a student with special needs.

See, only the special enrolments got the full-package (Student union services wise).. the rest of us got a crappy diary and a tiny co-op bookshop discount and a few guild- coffee vouchers.

Sad hu!!

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Re: Dumbing us down more - if that's possible

Post by mantra » Sat Dec 10, 2011 3:35 pm

Mel it's been going on for years - slowly eating away at the opportunities for public school students from average or low income families.

The biggest fraud is that Gillard and Rudd have always claimed that education was at the forefront of their agenda. Where's the investment? They were going to make up for Howard's shortfalls.

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Re: Dumbing us down more - if that's possible

Post by mellie » Sat Dec 10, 2011 3:36 pm

mantra wrote:Mel it's been going on for years - slowly eating away at the opportunities for public school students from average or low income families.

The biggest fraud is that Gillard and Rudd have always claimed that education was at the forefront of their agenda. Where's the investment? They were going to make up for Howard's shortfalls.
They lied!

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Re: Dumbing us down more - if that's possible

Post by mellie » Sat Dec 10, 2011 3:59 pm

Next time you visit your local super-clinic...(If you can find one).. or even local hospital emergency/medical centre, ask your treating doctor if you may see their licence, qualification, (some display their degrees, others don't want you to know they studied in India and completed a "I am allowed to practice medicine in Australia bridging course" and ask them where they studied, if you are lucky, they may tell you.

Note recent changes to International Medical graduates.

http://www.amc.org.au/

And this is why you should never assume you are in good hands...

http://www.solicitoradvice.com/

Public health and education is declining more quickly than you think...

Federal: New research on disciplinary action against doctors
A Melbourne study has found that 1 in 1500 doctors is disciplined in Australia each year. Male doctors were involved in 91% of cases. Obstetrician-gynaecologists and psychiatrists had the highest rate of disciplinary action, followed by general practitioners.
Source: SMH online 02.05.11; see section on disciplinary action.
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We need competent qualified graduates not, FOBS with a licence to practice medicine before English.

If they cant speak English properly, how can they competently practice medicine in Australia?

Communication not important?


Similarly, teacher shortages have resulted in more immigrated staff, who themselves are still learning English whilst trying to teach kids in our schools.


:thumb Off to a great start....
They all must have ESP!

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Re: Dumbing us down more - if that's possible

Post by mantra » Sat Dec 10, 2011 4:21 pm

We need competent qualified graduates not, FOBS with a licence to practice medicine before English.

If they cant speak English properly, how can they competently practice medicine in Australia?

Communication not important?
Howard's to blame for that one.

Can you imagine what this society is going to be like in a decade or so? We'll have hundreds of thousands of unwanted, illiterate kids growing up to be the same, but breeding nonetheless. It won't matter if a doctor from the third world is treating them and can't speak English properly or communicate - because everyone will be so desperate to get treatment from anyone available.

We won't be able to support the multiplying hordes so they'll be left to fend for themselves the only way they can - stealing and killing. Even then there won't be enough food to go around because our farms are being exchanged for mines.

Our kids will have to exist in a dystopian society.
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Re: Dumbing us down more - if that's possible

Post by mellie » Sat Dec 10, 2011 4:22 pm

And a very merry Christmas to you too Nerf.

:bgrin

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Re: Dumbing us down more - if that's possible

Post by mellie » Sat Dec 10, 2011 4:29 pm

And before Howard, there was Keating and Hawk ... yada yada yada ...I could list them all if you like?


Rather than pass the buck, what's say we do something about it?

Hold them all accountable this and demand services befitting of one of the highest taxed developed nations in the world.

:) Move forward even?

Or was this a mere campaign slogan...not really something they had any intentions of delivering on?

It's ok...Gillard has it all under control, after having launched her mylousyschools website and dob in a doctor (work colleague) hotline.

But it sounded good at the time, didn't it kids.


ALP...All sizzle and no sausage!


:bgrin

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co ... age_of_GDP

Are we getting our moneys worth Australia?

Well, according to the UN we are, (They have special graphs and figures, only they are privy to ) though they would tell us this, given they are about to take a 10% chunk of revenue from our Carbon tax for themselves, you know, the carbon-tax revenue Gillard said would be 100% delivered straight back to our Australian economy, she forgot to tell us the bit about forking out 10% of it to the UN, she has yet to justify.

Not allowed to talk about it in QT apparently...their not wanting to unsettle the already highly-taxed masses.

:)

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