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Ethnic

Re: A bit wet

Post by Ethnic » Mon Jan 17, 2011 3:38 pm

mantra wrote:He has made the Greens a viable Party and can only hope that his successors have the ability to maintain it. Maybe they won't have the stamina to cope with the media abuse the way he has for so long - maybe they will. He is obviously getting tired of fighting Aussie rednecks in government, media and mining - who could blame him for not being as dynamic as he once was?
So anyone who wants a strong economy and doesn't want to live in a cave eating bark and nuts is a redneck? Right Mantra, time to put your money where your mouth is - your home is built on stolen Aboriginal land and you must give it back to its traditional owners now. Then never again use fossil fuels and all products/systems made from or that rely on fossil fuels. After that you must insist that Green politicians do the same. Failure to do so will mean you're a hypocrite. Um you're not a hypocrite are you, mantra?

The Greens will not achieve anything higher than they currently have now that the Liberals won't give them preferences. In fact Adam Bandt is seeking a senate seat because he knows he will lose his lower house seat at the next federal election.

Jovial Monk

Re: A bit wet

Post by Jovial Monk » Mon Jan 17, 2011 4:00 pm

I could forgive the Greens a lot if they would just try really hard to win Liberal-held seats, instead they prefer to suck at Labor votes/Labor seats and so they can go and get fucked!

Outlaw Yogi

Re: A bit wet

Post by Outlaw Yogi » Mon Jan 17, 2011 4:21 pm

Jovial Monk wrote: He is also opposing the windback of the health insurance rebate altho all it does is put money into the pockets of a few private health insurers!
Considering abolition of the private health insurance rebate was a Greens initiative, Qld Greens actually, I know 'coz I was one of the delegates who voted it into existence, and was on the working group who composed wording of the motion, I find it very unlikely Bob Brown has opposed wind back as JM claims.
Ethnic wrote:This fluffy bunny has no shame:
GREENS leader Bob Brown says the coal mining industry should foot the bill for the Queensland floods because it helped cause them.
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And his evidence for making such claims is...................sweet fuck all.
Its no secret weather extremes intensify in a greenhouse world, and burning coal is undisputed as the prime source of anthropogenic CO2 emissions at 4,700 MT per annum (2007 figures) and globally increasing at 2% per annum, but only 1% in OZ per annum.


As for the imapact of dams, well the old theory is dams mitigate flooding (China's current excuse for mega dams), but in 2003 I attended a public forum at UCQ's Bundy campus which predicted Paradise dam would flood Bundy around 2013.
Flow restriction downstream of the dam causes a narrowing of the channel as vegetation fills the new gaps either side. Then a rain depression combined with king tides or storm serge leaves the water nowhere to go but up over the banks.

One thing most people seem unaware of is dams put pressure on aquifers upstream of the dam wall which leads to ground salinity. The farm I worked on until early last year has an 8km long pipeline to the Burnett River for irrigation purposes. But sometimes the water was to saline to use.

When I met Bob he was quite friendly, but was later a touch stand-offish when someone (a rival from within my own branch) told him I belted a home invader in the head with a mattock handle. I wished that Bob and the Greens in general didn't jump on the 'Free Tibet' bandwagon to bag China's admin, but he does seem to be the only pollie giving China any stick at all.

My personal perception is/was he more astute rather than reactionary than most Greens when engaging an issue, and more conservative than opposing spin doctors would prefer, but then he is an old bloke.

I joined the Greens over a food issue - to prevent a food irradition plant in Bundy - and quit/resigned over a food issue - veg nazis have achieved a critical mass enabling them to stack branches to forward pro-vegetarian motions based on ideological desires, and weasel their way into the state office so they can use party resources to promote their anti-meat agenda.

A faction of NSW Greens apparently can't stand Bob Brown, I don't know their reasons, but wouldn't be surprised if it was veg nazis/vegan fundamentalists insensed that Bob still eats steak and chips.


As for Anna Bligh, some here suggested the flood would get her re-elected. I thought just the opposite.
Admitedly her river-side home was flooded, but I bet I wasn't the only one noticing her public absence for a day or so after crying on telly. Now her crew has this to contend with ...

Brisbane River flooding 'avoidable'
http://au.news.yahoo.com/latest/a/-/lat ... avoidable/

Jovial Monk

Re: A bit wet

Post by Jovial Monk » Mon Jan 17, 2011 5:59 pm

Be more believable if he had come out well BEFORE the floods.

Nats wanted the water used for irrigation and Toowoomba was also drawing water from it for drinking.

Flood mitigation dams need to be kept pretty dry which means water needs to be pumped/gravity fed from it into holding dams.

And yes the Greens HAVE voted down, with the Libs, funny that, the last reduction in the rebate. Apparently Brown stamped his foot and said “all or nothing!”

Outlaw Yogi

Re: A bit wet

Post by Outlaw Yogi » Mon Jan 17, 2011 11:05 pm

Jovial Monk wrote:Be more believable if he had come out well BEFORE the floods.
Well I received (probably) the same email request for donations to the flood appeal, but just deleted it as I do with pretty much everything the Greens still send me, but truth is the Greens tend to have these appeals every time there's a disaster virtually anywhere on Earth. Opponents could get away with claims of opportunism, but your condemnation seems to be because he's not psychic/clairvoyant.
Jovial Monk wrote:Nats wanted the water used for irrigation
The Nats are for the most part the inbred cronies causing the ground salinity and will cry poor mouth once they've created new dust bowls.
Jovial Monk wrote:and Toowoomba was also drawing water from it for drinking.
Toowoomba has fast been running out of water for years, and when recycled water was forwarded as a mitigation option, the melon heads voted against it in a local referendum.
Jovial Monk wrote:Flood mitigation dams need to be kept pretty dry which means water needs to be pumped/gravity fed from it into holding dams.
Flood mitigation used as an excuse/reason for more dams is almost always bogus. Fact is the Qld govt is dam mad.
Cane cockies within the Bundaberg Irrigation Area (BIA) had already almost sucked the Kolan River dry via Fred Haig dam/Lake Monuran, so Pete Beattie's govt commissioned and paid the Institute of Sustainable Futures (ISF) $100,000 to work out the most viable options to increase supply to the BIA. Out of 30 options the govt chose option 28, Paradise dam, inspite of 27 cheaper and more viable options.
I obtained the Burnett region Least Cost Planning Study direct from ISF and made it public (via the now defuct GeoCities web pages)because our Labor govt declared it a cabinet document to prevent public scrutiny.
Jovial Monk wrote:And yes the Greens HAVE voted down, with the Libs, funny that, the last reduction in the rebate. Apparently Brown stamped his foot and said “all or nothing!”
So he's in support of its abolition as I expected, and not in support of its preservation as you implied.

Bag em one and all I say, but the criticism must be genuine, other wise you become just another party stooge.

Jovial Monk

Re: A bit wet

Post by Jovial Monk » Tue Jan 18, 2011 7:12 am

The “he should have made his claims before the floods” was not about Bob Brown who we all know makes cynically opportunistic statements all the time: I was referring to the guy saying Wivanhoe should have been emptied.

Outlaw Yogi

Re: A bit wet

Post by Outlaw Yogi » Tue Jan 18, 2011 4:24 pm

Obrien's pre flood warnings were disregarded by SEQ Water on the ground they have a book which tells them what to do, and thus the reason for Anna Bligh's pre-flood comments on telly "There is no discretion in this matter, this is how the dam operates".

Water banked up behind reservoir wall has to be released
January 12, 2011
http://www.smh.com.au/environment/weath ... 19mrk.html


And because they went by the book rather than real time observations ...

Dam came close to uncontrolled release
http://bigpondnews.com/articles/TopStor ... 64421.html

Now she's set up a royal commission to avoid immediate public scrutiny while they find a patsy to blame.

Outlaw Yogi

Re: A bit wet

Post by Outlaw Yogi » Tue Jan 18, 2011 7:20 pm

I reckon they should blame Hugo a Gogo and his weather machine ...
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And assure us Batfink will save us, and karate.

Outlaw Yogi

Re: A bit wet

Post by Outlaw Yogi » Fri Jan 21, 2011 2:52 pm

Wivenhoe operators under inquiry spotlight
http://au.news.yahoo.com/latest/a/-/lat ... spotlight/
Queensland Premier Anna Bligh says the state's flood inquiry will examine whether those authorities operating the Wivenhoe and Somerset dams stuck to the rules.

The manual for the dams, which has been in place for years and was used during last week's devastating flood in Brisbane and Ipswich, was publicly released on Thursday as theories fly about the role of dam releases.

Chief executive Barry Dennien has said the dam was run according to the book and has declined to answer questions ahead of a commission of inquiry into the flood crisis, announced this week.

But at least one engineer says the flooding could have been avoided if larger volumes had been released in the days leading up to it.

Outlaw Yogi

Re: A bit wet

Post by Outlaw Yogi » Fri Jan 21, 2011 11:35 pm

Fee fi fo fum toldja I could smell a scandal dum dee dum ...

Qld govt accused of cover-up over floods
http://au.news.yahoo.com/latest/a/-/lat ... spotlight/

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