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Re: Evolution is not a scientific theory

Post by Super Nova » Thu Aug 16, 2012 9:47 am

mantra wrote: FD didn't say the theory of evolution shouldn't be taught in schools only that it shouldn't be taught in science class.
True. I just re-read his site.

Evolution should not be taught in high school science classes because it is not a scientific theory. It fails the requirement of falsifiability that is the litmus test for judging whether an investigation is scientific.
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Re: Evolution is not a scientific theory

Post by mantra » Thu Aug 16, 2012 9:55 am

Super Nova wrote: True. I just re-read his site.

Evolution should not be taught in high school science classes because it is not a scientific theory. It fails the requirement of falsifiability that is the litmus test for judging whether an investigation is scientific.
Haha. We're going around in circles.

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Re: Evolution is not a scientific theory

Post by freediver » Thu Aug 16, 2012 6:49 pm

The issue here FD is we can not accurately defint the initial conditions just like we cannot model the exact engery level, position an direction of every molecule in the atmosphere to predict weather. We cannot model the output of the sun and every ray of energy that hits the planet. We cannot model such complexities.

So we can predict things will happen but we cannot predict when and what in absolute detail.
We can predict the weather. We cannot predict beneficial mutations. That is why the distinction between natural selection and evolution matches so nicely the boundary between science and non-science.
I can when you consider that man via genetic engineering is under controlled conditions generating mutations. They have to be seen as predictable. These mutation, particularly ones for resistence to pests would be seen as beneficial just man made. They are now in the ecosystem to the horror of some.
That is chimerism, not the generation of new genetic information. It is really just a more elaborate type of sex.
I don't think I can. Probably because it is not wrong.
You are muddling the meaning of falsifiability here. A simpler way of putting it is, can you design a repeatable litmus test for universal common ancestry?
What part of this is not met?
The bits about experiments, predictive force, falsifiable predictions, etc.
FD is saying that a blind belief in science is wrong.
No. I am saying that evolution is not a scientific theory.
Elements of evolution are continually challenged and refined however the macroscopic view, the theory of evolution itself, has stood the test of time.


Because it is not a scientific theory.
There has been numerous scientific enquiries into god and the supernatiural.
Can you explain this? Are you suggesting that the existence of God and unicorns are scientific hypotheses? Can you explain how you would apply the scientific method in this context?
FD's arguments are similar to those presented by creationists.
How so?

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Re: Evolution is not a scientific theory

Post by AiA in Atlanta » Sat Aug 18, 2012 2:30 am

Came across this today and thought of this thread:
"The theory of evolution is the fundamental backbone of all biological research," he (Vincent Cassone) said. "There is more evidence for evolution than there is for the theory of gravity, than the idea that things are made up of atoms, or Einstein's theory of relativity. It is the finest scientific theory ever devised."
This professor lives in Kentucky, a state that is still fighting a 1920's battle. :roll:

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Re: Evolution is not a scientific theory

Post by Super Nova » Sat Aug 18, 2012 2:37 am

AiA in Atlanta wrote:Came across this today and thought of this thread:
"The theory of evolution is the fundamental backbone of all biological research," he (Vincent Cassone) said. "There is more evidence for evolution than there is for the theory of gravity, than the idea that things are made up of atoms, or Einstein's theory of relativity. It is the finest scientific theory ever devised."
This professor lives in Kentucky, a state that is still fighting a 1920's battle. :roll:
Excellent. Here is his department's site with lots of papers to support evolution and their current research.

http://bio.as.uky.edu/

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Re: Evolution is not a scientific theory

Post by freediver » Sat Aug 18, 2012 8:28 am

This professor lives in Kentucky, a state that is still fighting a 1920's battle.
Perhaps that is why he sounds more like someone propping up one side of a propaganda war rather than a philosopher or scientist.

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Re: Evolution is not a scientific theory

Post by Rorschach » Sat Aug 18, 2012 9:19 am

We can predict the weather.
Really?
How accurately?
How far ahead of it actually happening?
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Re: Evolution is not a scientific theory

Post by IQS.RLOW » Sat Aug 18, 2012 1:39 pm

Perhaps that is why he sounds more like someone propping up one side of a propaganda war rather than a philosopher
What is a philosopher if nothing else but someone who justifies propping up one side of an argument or propaganda war
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