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Book buying spree

Post by Jovial Monk » Fri Jan 02, 2009 4:57 pm

Went to town with several giftvouchers from bookshops burning a hole in my pocket! OK, spent some ching as well :)

got 'Cryptonomicron' by Neal Stephenson--real SciFi at last! Still ploughing through his "Anathem" 300 pages in and a hint of a plot is emerging!

A Moroccan and various other cookbooks, in six months time these will be covered in grease splatters etc--I am a messy but enthusiastic cook!

A little book 'CSS' (Cascading style sheets) that I really need to master as I update & upgrade my website!

P Krugman "The conscience of a [small 'l'] Liberal: reclaiming America from the right" which I really wanted (and had to pay cold hard cash for (and for 'Cryptonomicron') anybody notice Dymocks has become a pretty ordinary bookshop?)

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Re: Book buying spree

Post by mantra. » Fri Jan 02, 2009 8:42 pm

I'm a great fan of the old library - what they don't have, they'll get in for you. You get to the stage where your home begins to overflow with books and many of them aren't read a second time.

Dymocks is looking fairly sparse these days, but as computers have helped decrease book sales, they don't need as much stock as they used to carry. It's a bit sad but it's supposed to be progress. The three R's are almost unnecessary now for Generation Y, so by the time Generation Z reaches maturity and has children, writing and reading books may be obsolete altogether. There was an old classic movie (Wells/Verne? - can't remember the name) where this generation of young blonde clones, males & females found a book and they had never seen one before. When they picked it up it disintegrated into dust. It's not hard to imagine that scenario playing out in the future.
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Re: Book buying spree

Post by TomB » Fri Jan 02, 2009 8:49 pm

Surely you jest. There's a couple of book shops in the major shopping centre up my way which are stacked to the rafters and seem to be doing a roaring trade. And I'm sure J.K. Rowlings bank balance is a pretty good indicator of how much book buying goes on.

Books might evolve into some sort of electronic format but they are hardly going to go out of fashion IMO.
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Re: Book buying spree

Post by mantra. » Fri Jan 02, 2009 9:05 pm

Books might evolve into some sort of electronic format but they are hardly going to go out of fashion IMO.
OK - well they might still be called books - but not books as we traditionally know them.

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Re: Book buying spree

Post by freediver » Fri Jan 02, 2009 9:10 pm

The three R's are almost unnecessary now for Generation Y....
One of my old colleagues didn't think it was necessary for his children to learn how to write or even type, on the grounds that voice recognition software will make the need to write obsolete.

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Re: Book buying spree

Post by TomB » Fri Jan 02, 2009 9:35 pm

freediver wrote:One of my old colleagues didn't think it was necessary for his children to learn how to write or even type, on the grounds that voice recognition software will make the need to write obsolete.
It's probable that AI software will make written text obsolete at some time in the future but I don't think it's on the near horizon.
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Re: Book buying spree

Post by mantra. » Fri Jan 02, 2009 9:41 pm

One of my old colleagues didn't think it was necessary for his children to learn how to write or even type, on the grounds that voice recognition software will make the need to write obsolete
God help us if it's coming to that already. Sadly those who believe reading and writing aren't that necessary, have no idea of the pleasure and quality these 2 basic skills can bring to your life.

We rely so much on technology now - how would everyone cope if in the future we had some sort of super energy crisis and we had to rely on our brains and whatever physical capabilities we had remaining? If you've seen the movie Idiocracy - our progeny would end up like those half wits.

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Re: Book buying spree

Post by TomB » Fri Jan 02, 2009 9:51 pm

Most ancient civilisations had a tradition of passing down stories orally long before the written word existed.
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Re: Book buying spree

Post by cynik » Sat Jan 03, 2009 3:38 am

And look what happened to them.

I think there must be a distinction between the skill of writing, and the facility to furnish writing with content.

Though the two interact, I doubt that any practical skill, such as carpentry, plumbing or writing, can advance without hours spent on the tools of that trade, whatever the tools might be for that era.

I have noticed that often people with good ideas, or access to rare information, are possessed by the illusion that they can write well. They seem overcome by the value of the information, and disregard the possibility that, without a practical skill, the knowledge is stuck inside their minds.

Given that the way we value information is inherently based on our personal preferences and prejudice, it follows that the skill in divulging the information matters a great deal when attempting to sway others to share our prejudice. The aim of most communication is not so much to inform, but rather to convince. Granted, this is not always the case, but most often in life we seek allies to our cause, rather than merely seeking to improve others with raw knowledge.

And I would submit that the practical skill of writing, the correct use of grammar and the select use of terminology, is more useful, when seeking to convince adversaries, than access to special facts.

After all, what is history but a fable agreed upon?

And so I would beware people who claim that technology renders the art of writing redundant. Such people, I suspect, pride themselves on facts, and the privileged access to facts, which render them superior to their fellows. Academics, surrounded by their books and theories, are the classic case. Police are another group, as are doctors, and men of science generally.

Such people dismiss the art involved in the practical trade of communication, and they spend their lives trying to account for the fluency of musicians, poets and competent lawyers as though the skill of writing were the product of blind luck, and not diligent practice.

I put it to you all that any casual oaf can show a woman his bank account details. It takes an exceptional man to convince her that it doesn't matter what the numbers say.

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Re: Book buying spree

Post by JW Frogen » Sat Jan 03, 2009 7:18 pm

Interesting post, honest too.

Short version, how you write something is important, whether it is true or not is not. (The very concept of truth relies on the ability to recognize it even if it cannot be eloquently explained, to act on it even if one cannot write about it. If the life of Helan Keller cannot teach you this nothing can.)

History is all just an opinion. (There is no empirical examination of source documents or archeological evidence, it is all just fiction.)

Hence we have seed from which all your political, social, economic and historical opinions are germinated.

You want to believe it, if you can compose it well, it will be true. For you and your emotions and if you are lucky or on the right forum, others, which will make it even more true for you.

You do not look out to the world; the world is composed on your page.

It is a claim I have made about you for years, the admission is refreshing.

It took five years, but you may have had an intellectual breakthrough.

But then I do not wish to be a Broome pearl diver, so I will not hold my breath.

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