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Re: Global Warming

Post by Super Nova » Mon Jan 06, 2014 8:47 pm

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skippy wrote:Nice to see IQS has toned down his language and rage. :shock:It was hot as here this weekend.
I see the bedwetting, handwringing, frybabies are still at it, confusing weather with climate when it suits them :thumb
The earth is warming. There is no confusion. The only issue is how do we economically deal with the issue. I think it has moved from a RISK to an ISSUE that needs to be actively addressed.

World's climate warming faster than feared, scientists say

Scientists say the world’s climate is warming faster than feared because previous predictions were too “optimistic” and overestimated the cooling impact of clouds

By Jonathan Pearlman, Sydney
7:14PM GMT 01 Jan 2014

As the planet marked its fourth hottest year on record, a study published in the journal Nature found increasing levels of carbon dioxide will lead to thinner ocean clouds and reduce their cooling impact, causing temperature rises of at least 5.6F (3C) over the course of the century.

The team of scientists said the findings show some climate models have been too “optimistic” and previous estimates of a minimum temperature rise of only 2.7F (1.5C) could now be discounted. The optimistic models did not properly assess the impact of water evaporation, which sometimes rises only a short distance into the atmosphere and causes updraughts that reduce cloud cover, the study found.

”These models have been predicting a lower climate sensitivity but we believe they’re incorrect,” Professor Steven Sherwood, from the University of New South Wales, told The Sydney Morning Herald.

”The net effect of [climate change] is you have less cloud cover.”

The study comes amid a controversy in Australia over claims by Maurice Newman, Prime Minister Tony Abbott’s top business adviser, who said the world had been taken “hostage to climate change madness”.

Mr Newman said the climate change establishment, led by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, remained “intent on exploiting the masses and extracting more money”.

“The scientific delusion, the religion behind the climate crusade, is crumbling,” he wrote in The Australian. “Global temperatures have gone nowhere for 17 years... If the IPCC were your financial adviser, you would have sacked it long ago.”

Mr Newman, a former chairman of the Australian Stock Exchange, was criticised by the opposition and pilloried by scientists, who said he was expressing “flat earth” views and should be sacked.

“His piece is a mix of common climate change myths, misinformation and ideology,” said Professor David Karoly, from the University of Melbourne, in an article in The Sydney Morning Herald.

“I would not choose a person who believes that the Earth is flat to advise Australian shipping or airline businesses on how to plan routes to travel around the world. It is clearly not sensible to have a person who believes that climate change science is a delusion as leader of the prime minister’s Business Advisory Council.”

Mr Abbott, who is something of a climate change sceptic, once claimed that “climate change is “absolute crap”, though he later said he accepts it is “real”.

Since winning a federal election last September, he has moved to scrap Labor’s tax on carbon emissions and instead proposes to address climate change by paying polluters to reduce emissions, though critics say the plan is underfunded and will not achieve its reduction targets.

The debate comes as Australia in 2013 marked its hottest year since reliable recordings began in 1910. The world’s driest continent also recorded its hottest day, hottest month, hottest winter’s day and hottest summer.

The run of warmer weather began late in 2012 and was so great that Australia’s Bureau of Meteorology last year changed its official weather forecasting map to include new colours - deep purple and pink - for areas with temperatures above 50C (122F).

Globally, according to figures released in December by the United States National Climatic Data Center, 2013 was set to be the fourth hottest year in 134 years of records behind 2010, 2005 and 1998.

Meteorologists said it was the hottest year on record for a non-El Niño year.

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Re: Global Warming

Post by IQS.RLOW » Mon Jan 06, 2014 9:17 pm

Simple fact, frybaby is that there has been no significant warming for 17 years despite carbon dioxide output increasing, ergo the theory behind CAGW is simply wrong at this time.

Fuck you and your greasy hole lubed by taxes, laying down begging to be fucked in the ass.
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Re: Global Warming

Post by Super Nova » Mon Jan 06, 2014 9:38 pm

IQS.RLOW wrote:Simple fact, frybaby is that there has been no significant warming for 17 years despite carbon dioxide output increasing, ergo the theory behind CAGW is simply wrong at this time.

Fuck you and your greasy hole lubed by taxes, laying down begging to be fucked in the ass.
Happy new year IQ.

We already agree just taxing is not the solution. Being in denial of the problem is no solution to a real problem that is going to effect the world now and in the not to distance future.

Adaption without mitigation is just a head in the sand approach.

A co-ordinated global response needs to be defined not just taxing. I guess we will do SFA until the problem is so big and we will be remembered in history as being negligent this century.

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Re: Global Warming

Post by IQS.RLOW » Mon Jan 06, 2014 9:54 pm

The only denial going on is from frybabies who believe religiously in the "C" in CAGW.

Let me reiterate for you. THERE IS NO CATASTROPHIC in any of the warming we have seen. None of it is outside the boundaries of normal variance.

End of discussion, Lube boy.
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Re: Global Warming

Post by Super Nova » Mon Jan 06, 2014 10:06 pm

IQS.RLOW wrote:The only denial going on is from frybabies who believe religiously in the "C" in CAGW.

Let me reiterate for you. THERE IS NO CATASTROPHIC in any of the warming we have seen. None of it is outside the boundaries of normal variance.

End of discussion, Lube boy.
"None of it is outside the boundaries of normal variance."

Bollocks.

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Re: Global Warming

Post by IQS.RLOW » Mon Jan 06, 2014 10:08 pm

Go on then...I'll wait.
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Re: Global Warming

Post by Super Nova » Mon Jan 06, 2014 10:16 pm

IQS.RLOW wrote:Go on then...I'll wait.

Did you accept your invite.
On behalf of the organizers of GLOBAL CONFERENCE ON GLOBAL WARMING (GCGW), I would like to cordially make an open invitation for the next conference: GLOBAL CONFERENCE ON GLOBAL WARMING-2014 (GCGW-14) which will be held in Beijing, China on May 25-29, 2014.
GCGW-14 is a multi–disciplinary international conference on the global warming and climate change issues and potential solutions. The aim of this conference is to assembly international scientists, researchers, engineers, policy makers and others that focus on global warming and potential solutions. It will provide a platform for the dissemination of state-of-the-art researches, technical interactions between participants, the presentation of the new developments in the area of global warming and climate change, and the debate and shaping of future directions and priorities for better environment, sustainable development and energy security. The primary themes of the conference are global warming and climate change, not only in engineering and science but also in all other disciplines (e.g. ecology, education, social sciences, economics, management, political sciences, and information technology). Therefore, papers on related topics are solicited from all relevant disciplinary areas, ranging from current problems, projections, new concepts, modeling, experiments and measurements, to simulations.
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Re: Global Warming

Post by IQS.RLOW » Mon Jan 06, 2014 10:18 pm

Super Nova wrote:
IQS.RLOW wrote:The only denial going on is from frybabies who believe religiously in the "C" in CAGW.

Let me reiterate for you. THERE IS NO CATASTROPHIC in any of the warming we have seen. None of it is outside the boundaries of normal variance.

End of discussion, Lube boy.
"None of it is outside the boundaries of normal variance."

Bollocks.

The discussion restarts here.
Still waiting... :Hi
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Re: Global Warming

Post by Super Nova » Tue Jan 07, 2014 12:37 am

IQS.RLOW wrote:Still waiting... :Hi
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Climate-change response demands urgency
By Editorial Board, Published: January 4

JUST HOW much will the Earth heat up over the next 100 or 200 years? Climate scientists are not able to predict with high certainty. They have estimated that average global temperatures will increase by 1.5 to 4.5 degrees Celsius — 2.7 to 8.1 degrees Fahrenheit — given a doubling of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. That range of estimates for “climate sensitivity” would mean the difference between relatively small effects and significant consequences for human welfare.

There are skeptics — not out-and-out climate-change deniers — who accept the physics that human-produced greenhouse gases will have some influence on climate but point to the lower estimates to argue that the issue is not urgent. A new paper in the journal Nature suggests they are wrong — that the consequences of climate change are likely to be toward the middle or higher end of the predicted temperature range. “This new research takes away the lower end of climate sensitivity estimates,” said University of New South Wales’s Steven Sherwood, author of the report. “Meaning that global average temperatures will increase by 3 degrees Celsius to 5 degrees Celsius with a doubling of carbon dioxide.” That translates into a rise of 4 degrees Celsius by the year 2100 and perhaps 8 degrees Celsius by 2200, barring a reduction in carbon dioxide output.

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Re: Global Warming

Post by IQS.RLOW » Tue Jan 07, 2014 1:34 am

The frybaby panic merchants have been completely wrong in all their predictions and models. They don't get to keep revising the panic despite numpties like yourself giving them oxygen instead of skepticism.

The fact that they have kept up the panic scenarios tells me they are selling a fucking snake oil product that dickheads expect everyone to compulsory buy.

No. Go fuck yourself.
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