Outlaw Yogi wrote:Wayne wrote:
It's more acknowledgement of a fairly good job done by a Labor PM.
Good job on what? Slush funds?
What slush funds did Gillard have as a Labor PM? See you cant even get the topic correct. This is about Gillard getting an award nothing to do with what she did in the Unions. Try again
Everything Gillard put her hand to as PM was a fuck up.
Really? What in particular? even Abbott admitted that over 80 percent of Gillard legislation presented to the Coalition controllds Senate was passed. Everything is not the word you are looking for. Try again
So much so that she and her hand bag hit squad tried a Soviet style of censorship on the media regarding mention of their blunders and history of corrupt practices via a 'Media Council'.
Conroy's Internet Filter Plan. Good idea on paper for what it was originally intended for but would never work
Even the NDIS, which at face value appears a good initiative has turned out to be just another unfunded monumental cock up.
The NDIS is finalising a TRIAL which was funded by an increase in the medicare levy. There is little to no burden on the budget at this time with the NDIS but it will need further funding if it is to oroceed to full blown stage. Try again
Wayne wrote: The existing Government have been nothing but a four year disaster for this Country and the sooner the rusted on rightards on here realise that, the better we will be. Are you honestly going to tell me this mob of fools we have in now are better than the Labor mob kicked out?
Well I'm not rusted onto anything, I'm too cynical to bother voting most of the time, but yes Abbott was by far better (in actions, not necessarily in words) that Gillard imagined she was, and as pitifully ineffectual as Turnbull has turned out to be, he's still marginally better than Gillard. If Labor had stuck with Rudd, they'd probably still be in Govt now.
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ou are joking surely. I am not rusted on either way but to say Abbott was anything other than a complete and utter disaster is farcical! The man was a blatant liar and misled the stupid Australian Public at the 2013 election into believing he was a man of his word. No changes to super? No changes to the ABC and SBS? Parental Leave? Medicare. The list goes on. WRT your last sentence, by the time Gillard rolled Rudd, I think everyone had had a gutful of him as well. Labor would have lost the 2013 election no matter who was in charge. They were a good party to start with, bought in some good policies and ideas (NDIS, NBN, etc) but led by a madman. Abbott was a disaster, Turnbull is no better and there is little talent on the front bench to replace him
Wayne wrote:"Easy Mark and Legit Target"? With this rampant block of fools running the country?
It's not anyone in Govt you've got to concern yourself with here, it's the membership of this site, who take delight in you putting egg on your face every time you defend the incopetents who got booted out by the electorate.
Then refute the arguments. Labor deserved to get the boot - but are you honestly telling me this lot are any better? They are still running on most of Labor's policies and legislation - they cant even think outside the box and get there own in. Stop dribbling rubbish - the problem with the risted on rightards on here is most are too stupid to realise they have been duped by a bloke selling them three magic beans
Wayne wrote: I don't think so Mate.
I know so ... been here so long I'm part of the furniture.
And? What relevance does that have? A lonely old rusted on clinging to a forum instead of evaluating and forming opinions and argument? You blokes sit here whinging and moaning but you have no alternative, you have no ideas and you gave no forward thinking. You lot are all stuck in the 40s and 50s when the deliniation between Labor and Libs was there and they were diametrically opposed to each other. They are basically one and the same these days Lseft and Right are very similar - but you blokes are so rusted on you cant see that
Wayne wrote: I have probably been around a lot longer than you have ...
Or probably not ... I'll be 51 this year ... and you?
65 My real interest in politics began when Fraser blocked Supply and we weren't going to get paid
Wayne wrote: and I can speak from being in the moment,...
Oh shit, another self help book devotee.
Listen sport, I was a meditation instructor for a yogic cult, and I can tell you from personal experience that phrase "being in the moment" is typically parroted by mugs and dingbats who can't reason things for themselves, or even know what it really means.
"Being in the moment" means not worrying about the past, because it's gone, or the future because it doesn't exist yet. It's helpful for manic depressives/bi-polars to be more spontanious, but .... forgetting the past leads to making the same mistakes over and over, and not considering the future leaves one with no planning ability.
No, just a forward thinking man who has lived through many decades of both sides of politics, seen the good and bad things at first hand without sitting in a forum all day listening to other whiners who would not have a clue. worse still, the ones who are so obsessed by how Mum and Dad voted they are unable to make their own choices - that describes a couple on here. Basically numpties. Living in the moment for me means I have seen the past I am seeing the present and I am looking to the future and seeing the same mistakes made again - a crime of all politicians
Wayne wrote: not reading about it, googling it or being influenced by Mum and Dad about it - ...
I wish I had more time to read, as it is sometimes I don't get to read the paper (The Australian) until days after I bought it. My puter's a bit slow so practically the only thing I google are spelling mistakes. As for the oldies, well I'm more of an influence on my old man these days than he is on me, and I've barely spoken a word to my mother since 1989.
I agree there. Pay walls make it hard and many people are very selective in what they post rather than letting people judge the full article and debate
Wayne wrote:I have experienced it. ...
I don't believe you. From my experience those with real life/world experience are not partisan welded onto anything, be it political parties, religion, ideology, philosophy or any other form of intellectual masturbation.
As stated, I am 65. My first recollections of politics began in the Whitlam era but as I was in my early twenties I was more interested in girls and drinking as much piss as I could. As I said, I only took interest when my pay was about to be stopped and I thought i had better stay up to speed. I have seen the good and bad sides of both major parties and have been equally shafted by both of them. At the moment, it is the Coalition in the drivers seat, so they are the ones who are under the pump. Shorten and his bunch of cronies can do whatever they like, they are in opposition and can be as free and wild with the truth as they like. Same as when Abbott was in Opposition
Wayne wrote: This is without a doubt the worst government this country has even seen.
They are ineffectual in many aspects, but far better at slowing the stream of welfare parasites funnelling through Indonesia and nowhere near as knee jerk (or authoritarian for that matter) as Gillard or Rudd.
Tha'ts a joke - tell me all about the Centrelink data match up cock up that this Government have presided over? That's just this weeks example. This Government have blundered from disaster to disaster, they have changed Leaders, they have changed Ministers, they are corrupt and they are incompetent. Rudd and Gillard were bad and embarrassing to say the least - but they shine over this mob of fools. As for ayslum seekers, I doubt if you will find many people that thought relaxing our borders was a great idea.
Wayne wrote: I at least am happy to bash both sides, target away.
Yet to see it, so far all I've seen is praise for incompetence and bad grapes for successor.
Now if you want to see someone lay the boot in to just about everyone on the political spectrum, I'll show you how it's done. So far about the only crew I'm yet to put shit on or take the piss out of is Liberty Alliance. They might get their turn one day ... see what happens.