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Does GUN control REALLY works?

Post by FLEKTARN » Sun Nov 04, 2018 9:11 pm

Does GUN control REALLY works?

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Prague, capital of Czechia
Population: 1.281 million (2017)

Gun laws in Czechia:
Firearms ownership has a very long tradition in the country. The English term pistol originated in 15th-century Czech language. The Czech lands have been the manufacturing center (including weapons industry) of Central Europe for over two centuries.

Unlike in most other European countries, the Czech gun legislation also permits a citizen to carry a concealed weapon for self-defense – 240,000 out of some 300,000 legal gun owners have a concealed carry permit.



Adelaide, Australia
Population: 1.277 million (2014)

Gun laws in Australia:
In Australia, Section 12(2) of the Act provides that a person does not have genuine reason for a licence if ‘the Applicant intends to possess the firearm or use the firearm for any of the following reasons:

(a) personal protection or the protection of another person
(b) the protection of property (other than in circumstances constituting a genuine reason as set out in the table to this section.

This prevents a licence being issued for personal protection.



Comparison of crime data:
https://www.numbeo.com/crime/compare_ci ... Comparison

Level of crime
Prague: 19.33%
Adelaide: 31.32% (bigger danger)

Worries home broken and things stolen
Prague, 20.83%
Adelaide: 33.61% (bigger danger)

Worries attacked
Prague: 17.75%
Adelaide: 28.59% (bigger danger)

Problem violent crimes such as assault and armed robbery
Prague: 14.02%
Adelaide: 30.91% (double the chance of being assaulted or robbed with a gun)


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Re: Does GUN control REALLY works?

Post by brian ross » Sun Nov 04, 2018 11:19 pm

Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Comparing Apples and Oranges? How unsurprising for the pro-gun crowd, hey?

Similar populations but the Prague population is spread over a smaller area than the city of Adelaide. Therefore the results would be different.

How about we compare actual - rather than reported - crime statistics? Statistics gathered by official bodies, rather than those reported in an online survey which does not publish it's methodology. "Worries" are not actual crimes. "Worries" are fears about a person's predicament. People can fear what will never happen to them.

Crime in the city of Adelaide, South Australia has decreased significantly since the 2000s and is controlled by the South Australia Police (SAPOL) and the South Australia court system. Adelaide has developed a reluctant reputation over the years as Australia's "crime capital", despite it being a relatively small city. In reality, the rate of violent crime in Adelaide is no greater than for any other city in Australia of comparable size.

In 2013, the city was ranked the safest in the country with the lowest rate of crime per population. In 2012, crime rates in the city fell and have decreased even further since then. Crime in the northern suburbs, however, continues to be a problem.

For the 2017 statistics, I recommend you look here at the South Australian Police Annual Report for 2017. You can check out which suburbs have higher or lower levels of crime in the Adelaide suburban area here.

Guns are controlled for a reason in Australia. The States and Federal Government reacted to the 1996 Port Arthur Massacre with a raft of legislation. You cannot have a gun license for purposes of self-defence. You cannot own a Category C firearm, unless a professional shooter (category C firearms are semi-automatic long arms and pump-action shotguns). This legislation has not been repealed because the Australian public have never asked it to be repealed. They are happy with being limited as to the types of firearms which they are allowed to own. Gun ownership is a privilege in Australia and not a right.
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Re: Does GUN control REALLY works?

Post by brian ross » Sun Nov 04, 2018 11:40 pm

Further because of gun control, criminals have less opportunity and lack the ability to access firearms. Firearm crimes are comparatively low in Australia compared to overseas countries. The national murder statistics for the use of a Firearm are 2016, per 100,000 inhabitants were:
Total Homicides Suicides Unintentional Undetermined Guns per 100 inhabitants
1.04 0.18 0.8 0.02 0.01 13.70
Czech Republic they were:
2012 2.01 0.15 1.66 0.09 0.13 16.3
[Source]

Double the Australian rate.
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Re: Does GUN control REALLY works?

Post by Valkie » Mon Nov 05, 2018 5:47 am

Gun control really worked for Hitler, didn't it?

Once he had the people defenceless, he tried to rule the world.

howard the coward was heading down the same path
Take the guns from the people, so he could introduce some pretty nasty legislation without fear of an uprising.

But the turd got too greedy too soon, and was decimated.

One of my best days was watching the creep cry as he was ousted.

May he rot in he'll.
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Re: Does GUN control REALLY works?

Post by FLEKTARN » Mon Nov 05, 2018 9:35 am

brian ross wrote:
Sun Nov 04, 2018 11:40 pm
Further because of gun control, criminals have less opportunity and lack the ability to access firearms. Firearm crimes are comparatively low in Australia compared to overseas countries. The national murder statistics for the use of a Firearm are 2016, per 100,000 inhabitants were:
Total Homicides Suicides Unintentional Undetermined Guns per 100 inhabitants
1.04 0.18 0.8 0.02 0.01 13.70

Czech Republic they were:
2012 2.01 0.15 1.66 0.09 0.13 16.3

[Source]

Double the Australian rate.



Guns can be easily acquired on the black market. In Bulgaria you can buy a Russian Makarov pistol 9x18 pretty easily and it costs $200. A lot of murders happened in the 90s and it was the time where no one had guns. Bulgaria had a ban on guns and knives until the year 2000, and the years between 1990 and 2000 were the most bloody ones. Read news and read books. Don't be a simpleton.

Some of the most prominent assassination targets (in chronological order):

The biggest crime bosses were murdered around the 90s.

  • Vasil Iliev - Founder of VIS1 and VIS2. Ambushed by an unknown killer on his way to Club "Mirage" on 25 April 1995.
  • Andrey Lukanov - former Bulgarian prime minister (1990). Killed on 2 October 1996.
  • Ivo Karamanski, a.k.a. "The Godfather" - Shot by a drunk acquaintance at a birthday party in Sofia on 20 December 1998.
  • Iliya Pavlov - Founder of Multigroup and the wealthiest individual in Bulgaria. There is no official evidence for criminal activities but he was widely considered to be one of the bosses of the mafia. Former employees claim that he was involved in a prostitution ring. He was shot dead in front of his office in Sofia on 3 July 2003 (a failed assassination attempt had been made in 1997).


Basically the whole SIK and VIS crime groups were wiped out during the 90s.
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Re: Does GUN control REALLY works?

Post by FLEKTARN » Mon Nov 05, 2018 9:43 am

Valkie wrote:
Mon Nov 05, 2018 5:47 am
Gun control really worked for Hitler, didn't it?

Once he had the people defenceless, he tried to rule the world.

howard the coward was heading down the same path
Take the guns from the people, so he could introduce some pretty nasty legislation without fear of an uprising.

But the turd got too greedy too soon, and was decimated.

One of my best days was watching the creep cry as he was ousted.

May he rot in he'll.

It's funny you should say that. I was thinking the same thing! See this:

Gun laws in Nazi Germany

Germany, Poland and Hungary seized Czech borderland following the Munich agreement with UK, France and Italy, in October 1938, immediately putting into force their own restrictive gun laws within the occupied territory.

On 15 March 1939, Germany invaded the remainder of Czechoslovakia. On the very first day, Chief Commander of German forces ordered surrender of all firearms present within the occupied territory. This pertained not only to civilian owned firearms, but also to those held by the police force. In August 1939, this order was replaced by Regulation of Reich Protector No. 20/39. The regulation again ordered surrender of all firearms and introduced personal responsibility of land plot owners for all firearms that would be found within their property. Reich and Protectorate officials (including police) and SS Members were exempt from the gun ban.

It's funny how people say I'm a Nazi, when my only hobby is guns and knives and I donated hundreds to the NRA and such organisations. How can I be a Nazi when the Nazis basically banned all the guns and that's your typical modern Leftist move. My mind wobbles.

Hitler was a scared little pussy. Only a scared pussy will ban guns. If the Czechs had a lot of guns they would've fucked him up in the жопа. They actually killed one of his most close friends, Reinhard Heydrich, the pussy.

The Czechs are stronk:

On 27 May 1942, Heydrich planned to meet Hitler in Berlin. German documents suggest that Hitler intended to transfer Heydrich to German-occupied France, where the French resistance was gaining ground. Heydrich would have to pass a section where the Dresden-Prague road merges with a road to the Troja Bridge. The junction, in the Prague suburb of Libeň, was well suited for the attack because motorists have to slow for a hairpin bend. As Heydrich's car slowed, Gabčík took aim with a Sten submachine gun, but it jammed and failed to fire. Instead of ordering his driver to speed away, Heydrich called his car to halt and attempted to confront the attackers. Kubiš then threw a bomb (a converted anti-tank mine) at the rear of the car as it stopped. The explosion wounded both Heydrich and Kubiš.

When the smoke cleared, Heydrich emerged from the wreckage with his gun in his hand; he chased Kubiš and tried to return fire. Kubiš jumped on his bicycle and pedaled away. Heydrich ran after him for half a block but became weak from shock and collapsed. He sent his driver, Klein, to chase Gabčík on foot. In the ensuing firefight, Gabčík shot Klein in the leg and escaped to a local safe house. Heydrich, still with pistol in hand, gripped his left flank, which was bleeding profusely.

A Czech woman went to Heydrich's aid and flagged down a delivery van. He was placed in the back of the van, on his stomach, and taken to the emergency room at Bulovka Hospital. He had suffered severe injuries to his left side, with major damage to his diaphragm, spleen, and one of his lungs. A splenectomy was performed, and the chest wound, left lung, and diaphragm were all debrided.

He later died, like a little bitch.
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Re: Does GUN control REALLY works?

Post by Rorschach » Mon Nov 05, 2018 9:59 am

Howard didn't lose the election due to gun control, he lost it due to a long incumbency and Workchoices. He stopped listening to the people. happens to them all eventually and no liberal had the guts to tap him on the shoulder.
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Re: Does GUN control REALLY works?

Post by brian ross » Mon Nov 05, 2018 3:29 pm

FLEKTARN wrote:
Mon Nov 05, 2018 9:35 am
brian ross wrote:
Sun Nov 04, 2018 11:40 pm
Further because of gun control, criminals have less opportunity and lack the ability to access firearms. Firearm crimes are comparatively low in Australia compared to overseas countries. The national murder statistics for the use of a Firearm are 2016, per 100,000 inhabitants were:
Total Homicides Suicides Unintentional Undetermined Guns per 100 inhabitants
1.04 0.18 0.8 0.02 0.01 13.70

Czech Republic they were:
2012 2.01 0.15 1.66 0.09 0.13 16.3

[Source]

Double the Australian rate.



Guns can be easily acquired on the black market.


Not in Australia, they cannot. Australia has strict Quarantine and Customs regulations and checks. We have no contiguous land borders with any other nation. We are thousands of kilometres from most other nations (PNG and East Timor being exceptions). Any firearms you seek to smuggle into Australia has to come through seaports which are generally closely monitored. Criminals who use firearms are not treated well by the judicial system. Guns are not needed in Australian society as a consequence. You live in Bulgaria. You cannot compare it to Australia - a peaceful, largely law-abiding society. Yes, crime does occur downunder but it doesn't usually involve a firearm for the most part.
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Re: Does GUN control REALLY works?

Post by Black Orchid » Mon Nov 05, 2018 3:35 pm

Caches of guns, knives etc are often seized by customs at Sydney airport but many more just get through.

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Post by brian ross » Mon Nov 05, 2018 3:37 pm

Black Orchid wrote:
Mon Nov 05, 2018 3:35 pm
Caches of guns, knives etc are often seized by customs at Sydney airport but many more just get through.
You have no evidence of that, Black Orchid. Yes, caches are seized - because they are detected. There is always some wally who believes that they are above the law. Funny that, hey?
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