Global Warming

[IQS.RLOW]

Moot point. Abbott will be PM and the carbon tax will be gawn.

You'll have to crawl up in a ball in the corner somewhere while the rest of us get on with life.

[Super Nova]

Moot point. Abbott will be PM and the carbon tax will be gawn.

You'll have to crawl up in a ball in the corner somewhere while the rest of us get on with life.

I provide evidence and qualified opinion on my position as asked and ..........

Good comeback potsie.



I accept your surrender.

[IQS.RLOW]

I've already shown why it is economically unfeasible act rather than not act, yet you pull up old arguments that are invalid.

You need to pull down your skirt. Your confirmation bias is showing and is liable to get you raped...but I'm guessing you might enjoy that considering your pissweak arguments and goal shifting.

[Super Nova]

More views on what the DO NOTHING squad have to offer us. The costs will escalate in money and in life.

Higher temperatures could lead to 20 per cent jump in New York heat deaths
Deaths in Manhattan could jump by as much as 20 per cent in the 2020s and 90 per cent by the 2080s as a result of global warming, a study has found.
Deaths in Manhattan could jump by as much as 20 per cent in the 2020s and 90 per cent by the 2080s as a result of global warming, a study has found.

Higher winter temperatures may cut cold-related mortality, though net temperature-related deaths may still climb by a third by the 2080s, according to a statement detailing the findings, published in the journal Nature Climate Change by Columbia University's

"This serves as reminder that heat events are one of the greatest hazards faced by urban populations around the globe," said Radley Horton, a climate scientist at the Earth Institute's Centre for Climate Systems Research and a co-author.

Governor Andrew Cuomo has said New York must prepare for a "new reality" of climate change after Hurricane Sandy, the largest Atlantic storm in history, smashed into New York City Oct. 29. It caused the worst flooding in the more than 100-year history of the subway system and about $40 billion (£26.3 billion) in damage statewide.

Horton said there is already evidence of deaths caused by rising temperatures. In 2010, a heat wave in Russia killed about 55,000, he said. A similar event in Central and Western Europe killed 70,000 in 2003.

The study used temperature projections from 16 global climate models and put them against two backdrops, according to the statement. One backdrop assumed rapid population growth and few attempts to limit greenhouse-gas emissions. The other assumed slower population growth and technological changes that reduced emissions by 2040.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/enviro ... eaths.html

[Rorschach]

Sorry SN you posted nothing concrete and keep doing it apparently... coulda woulda shoulda ?
you are kidding right.
people all over the world particularly the old and infirm die of climatic conditions even in the 1st world .

The so called deniers who don't deny it at all and do nothings who don't support that are all for a better environment and adaptation. You know adaptation one of the things man does best.

If you keep reading and believing alarmist literature you'll never find the truth.

[Super Nova]

The so called deniers who don't deny it at all and do nothings who don't support that are all for a better environment and adaptation. You know adaptation one of the things man does best.

If you keep reading and believing alarmist literature you'll never find the truth.

We may adapt but we are still dependent on the planets natural ecosystem to survive. We fool ourselves into believing we are that powerful. As individuals we are weak as piss and are not hardy at all.

Would you like a planet where most of the current life-forms we depend on for survival no longer exist except in a green house.

Read this article with extract below.
If you’re too busy to read the evidence presented below, here’s the bottom line: On a planet 4 C hotter than baseline, all we can prepare for is human extinction (from Oliver Tickell’s 2008 synthesis in the Guardian). According to an informed assessment of BP’s Energy Outlook 2030, published in January 2013, global average temperature of Earth will hit the 4 C mark in 2030. These assessments consider neither collapse nor self-reinforcing feedback loops. In the face of near-term human extinction, Americans view the threat as distant and irrelevant, as illustrated by a 22 April 2013 article in the Washington Post based on poll results that echo the long-held sentiment that elected officials should be focused on the industrial economy, not far-away minor nuisances such as climate change.

... and this bit......

In other words, Obama and others in his administration knew near-term extinction of humans was already guaranteed. Even before the dire feedbacks were reported by the scientific community, the Obama administration abandoned climate change as a significant issue because it knew we were done as early as 2009. Rather than shoulder the unenviable task of truth-teller, Obama did as his imperial higher-ups demanded: He lied about collapse, and he lied about climate change. And he still does.

http://guymcpherson.com/2013/01/climate ... nd-update/

May you and IQ could get a job with these guys and see what you learn and maybe have an influence.

http://climate-l.iisd.org/climate-chang ... 013-04-16/

The sky is falling...... soon.

[Super Nova]

And for balance here is a different view.

Which brings us back, unfortunately, to global warming politics and policy. Considering all the economic distress out there right now (except in those countries that are essentially ignoring climate change policy), the academic and industrial sectors that have been profiting from climate change may find sources of funding shrinking unless things start to heat up again.

http://gowood.blogspot.com/2013/04/clim ... pdate.html

[Super Nova]

Alright RS and IQ,

Please try and discredit this report.

Your claim is based on the following type of comment "Since then the trend of average global surface temperatures has shown a clear rise above the long-term averages – the 10 warmest years on record have been since 1998 – but climate sceptics have claimed that this represents a pause in warming."

Note: "Over the past decade the world as a whole has continued to warm but the warming is mostly in the subsurface oceans rather than at the surface."

and it is getting worse: "Other researchers also warned that there was little comfort to be taken from the new estimates – greenhouse gas emissions are rising at a far higher rate than had been predicted by this stage of the 21st century and set to rise even further, so estimates for how much warming is likely will also have to be upped."


Climate change: human disaster looms, claims new research

Forecast global temperature rise of 4C a calamity for large swaths of planet even if predicted extremes are not reached.
Fiona Harvey, environment correspondent The Guardian, Sunday 19 May 2013 19.07 BST

Some of the most extreme predictions of global warming are unlikely to materialise, new scientific research has suggested, but the world is still likely to be in for a temperature rise of double that regarded as safe.

The researchers said warming was most likely to reach about 4C above pre-industrial levels if the past decade's readings were taken into account.

That would still lead to catastrophe across large swaths of the Earth, causing droughts, storms, floods and heatwaves, and drastic effects on agricultural productivity leading to secondary effects such as mass migration.

Some climate change sceptics have suggested that because the highest global average temperature yet recorded was in 1998 climate change has stalled. The new study, which is published in the journal Nature Geoscience, shows a much longer "pause" would be needed to suggest that the world was not warming rapidly.

Alexander Otto, at the University of Oxford, lead author of the research, told the Guardian that there was much that climate scientists could still not fully factor into their models. He said most of the recent warming had been absorbed by the oceans but this would change as the seas heat up. The thermal expansion of the oceans is one of the main factors behind current and projected sea level rises.

The highest global average temperature ever recorded was in 1998, under the effects of a strong El Niño, a southern Pacific weather system associated with warmer and stormy weather, which oscillates with a milder system called La Niña. Since then the trend of average global surface temperatures has shown a clear rise above the long-term averages – the 10 warmest years on record have been since 1998 – but climate sceptics have claimed that this represents a pause in warming.

Otto said that this most recent pattern could not be taken as evidence that climate change has stopped. "Given the noise in the climate and temperature system, you would need to see a much longer period of any pause in order to draw the conclusion that global warming was not occurring," he said. Such a period could be as long as 40 years of the climate record, he said.

Otto said the study found that most of the climate change models used by scientists were "pretty accurate". A comprehensive global study of climate change science is expected to be published in September by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, its first major report since 2007.

Jochem Marotzke, professor at the Max Planck Institute for Meteorology in Hamburg and a co-author of the paper, said: "It is important not to over-interpret a single decade, given what we know, and don't know, about natural climate variability. Over the past decade the world as a whole has continued to warm but the warming is mostly in the subsurface oceans rather than at the surface."

Other researchers also warned that there was little comfort to be taken from the new estimates – greenhouse gas emissions are rising at a far higher rate than had been predicted by this stage of the 21st century and set to rise even further, so estimates for how much warming is likely will also have to be upped.

Richard Allan, reader in climate at the University of Reading, said: "This work has used observations to estimate Earth's current heating rate and demonstrate that simulations of climate change far in the future seem to be pretty accurate. However, the research also indicates that a minority of simulations may be responding more rapidly towards this overall warming than the observations indicate."

He said the effect of pollutants in the atmosphere, which reflect the sun's heat back into space, was particularly hard to measure.

He noted the inferred sensitivity of climate to a doubling of carbon dioxide concentrations based on this new study, suggesting a rise of 1.2C to 3.9C, was consistent with the range from climate simulations of 2.2C to 4.7C. He said: "With work like this our predictions become ever better."


Reference: http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2 ... y-research

Deniers are in denial

[Rorschach]

Puhlease the Guardian is and has always been a LW Rag.
Do try better.

BTW there is enough UNCERTAINTY in the above article to ignore any of it's wilder claims.

I note.

"It is important not to over-interpret a single decade, given what we know, and don't know, about natural climate variability.

yet original claims of warming cooling dimming warming the hell with it let's just call it climate change have been based on periods shorter than 15 years. Just a tad hypocritical.

[Super Nova]

Io, RS,

How does this comment from a world authority be explained when you both claimed earlier in this thread that in this same period the Earth was cooling or warming had stopped?

"The 11 warmest years on record have all occurred in the last 12 years. The second half of the 20th century was the warmest period in the northern hemisphere for at least 1 300 years. Europe has warmed by about 1 °C over the past 100 years, faster than the global average."

Proof of climate change 'unequivocal'

Published : Feb 02, 2007 Last modified : Apr 13, 2011 07:17 PM

A new UN report, written by a panel of senior scientists from around the world, says that the proof of climate change is 'unequivocal'. The report, 'Climate Change 2007: The Physical Science Basis', the latest report from the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), was released in Paris on Friday, February 2.
Human activity likely cause of climate changes

Human activities have caused most of the observed changes in the past 50 years.

'These new findings from the IPCC are alarming. The recent observations and measurements reflected in the report dispel any doubts that the global climate is changing and that human activities have caused most of the observed changes in the past 50 years. International action is needed to address climate change by both enhanced mitigation and adaptation efforts,' says Professor Jacqueline McGlade, Executive Director of the EEA.

The report assesses the latest scientific knowledge on climate change and constitutes the first part of the IPCC's forthcoming Fourth Assessment Report. It confirms the main findings of the Third Assessment Report from 2001, but many results can now be better quantified and there is even higher confidence in them.

The report’s key conclusions are:
Warming of the climate system is unequivocal, as is now evident from observations of increases in global average air and ocean temperatures, widespread melting of snow and ice, and rising sea level.
It is 'very likely' that increases in man-made greenhouse gas emissions have caused most of the rise in globally averaged temperatures since the middle of the 20th century. It is 'extremely unlikely' that this warming was due to natural climate variability alone.
During the last 100 years the Earth has warmed by 0.76 °C on average, and the rate of warming has further increased. The 11 warmest years on record have all occurred in the last 12 years. The second half of the 20th century was the warmest period in the northern hemisphere for at least 1 300 years. Europe has warmed by about 1 °C over the past 100 years, faster than the global average.
The best estimates for projected global warming this century of a further rise in the global average temperature range from 1.8 to 4.0 °C by 2100 for different scenarios which do not assume that more action is taken to limit emissions. The full uncertainty range for the projected temperature increase this century is 1.1–6.4 °C.
Rates of observed sea level rise almost doubled from 18 centimetres per century in 1961–2003 to 31 cm per century in 1993–2003.
The concentration of carbon dioxide (CO2) and other greenhouse gases in the atmosphere has continued to increase due to man-made emissions, and the rate of increase has further accelerated. Current concentrations of CO2 and methane are the highest for at least 650 000 years.
Extreme weather events have increased and regional climate patterns are changing. Heat waves and other weather extremes, as well as changes in atmospheric circulation patterns, storm tracks and precipitation, can now be traced back to climate change caused by human activities.
Scientists have improved their ability to predict future climate change. Confidence in regional climate change projections has increased due to better models and more powerful computers. The temperature over land and at high northern latitudes will be higher than the global average. In the Arctic it could be on average 6 °C – and possibly as much as 8 °C — warmer by the end of this century than at the end of the 20th.

http://www.eea.europa.eu/highlights/pro ... nequivocal