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Re: Global Warming

Post by Super Nova » Tue Mar 04, 2014 9:48 pm

IQS.RLOW wrote:You type lots but offer little.

The theory doesn't fit long or short term. FACT.
Not a fact.
IQS.RLOW wrote:Why is your mind so closed? Why do you need to believe that we are on a destructive path when all evidence is to the contrary?
All the evidence.... not true.

You are making this up as you go.

You position is one of denial and believing fairy-tales come true.

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Re: Global Warming

Post by IQS.RLOW » Tue Mar 04, 2014 9:51 pm

IQS.RLOW wrote:
You type lots but offer little.

The theory doesn't fit long or short term. FACT.
Not a fact.
Now you resort to lying because the truth is too hard for you to fathom.
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Re: Global Warming

Post by Super Nova » Tue Mar 04, 2014 10:06 pm

OK... here we go again.

So I'd like to ask the sceptics: what do you say to the National Academy of Sciences, and the Royal Society, and the American Meteorological Society, and the World Meteorological Organisation, and the Geological Society of London? Do you think they're all shills or con artists or secret Marxists? Or do you think they're all incompetent, and that the only competent scientists are the few who happen to agree with you?

Have a read... check the link... who is your authority that provides the evidence that says there is no climate change issue?

No true scientists: the Royal Society, climate change and the No True Scotsman fallacy

When is an august scientific body not an august scientific body? When it releases a report you don't like.

This week the Royal Society and the National Academy of Sciences released a thoroughly calm and clear report on climate change, "Climate change: evidence & causes". It explains the realities and complexities of climate science, the areas in which scientists are extremely confident of their results and where there is more uncertainty, and what the risks are.

The world is warming, they point out; about 0.8C since 1900. Scientists know that human activities, rather than natural variations, are behind most of this warming through a process called "fingerprinting"; looking at finer details than the average temperature of the planet. For instance, greenhouse gas releases would warm the lower atmosphere first, while increases in the Sun's output would warm the upper atmosphere at the same time. And, lo and behold, measurements detect warming in the lower atmosphere first, as well as other tell-tale signs of human influence. By contrast the Sun's activity has, if anything, slightly dropped since the late 1970s, while global temperatures have increased.

It's a marvellously well-done report, in plain but unpatronising language, explaining how we know what we know, and what we can expect; for instance, carbon dioxide stays in the atmosphere for thousands of years, so even if all emissions stop now we could expect the temperature to keep rising for another 300 years or so; and the prediction of an increase of temperature of between 2.6C and 4.8C should be enough to worry us, since the difference between now and the last Ice Age was only about 4C. And while the climate does change naturally, it has never changed this fast before, as far as scientists can tell.

There are lots of uncertainties, and the report is careful to point out that the fact that things are warming doesn't automatically point us to a particular political response – this isn't a Green Party political broadcast:

Citizens and governments can choose among several options (or a mixture of those options) in response to this information: they can change their pattern of energy production and usage in order to limit emissions of greenhouse gases and hence the magnitude of climate changes; they can wait for changes to occur and accept the losses, damage and suffering that arise; they can adapt to actual and expected changes as much as possible; or they can seek as yet unproven ‘geoengineering’ solutions to counteract some of the climate changes that would otherwise occur. Each of these options has risks, attractions and costs, and what is actually done may be a mixture of these different options.

But what it reminds us is: the argument among scientists is not whether or not human activity is warming the world, but how quickly, and how much the oceans are absorbing it, and how much we can expect it to warm in the coming years. "It is now more certain than ever, based on many lines of evidence, that humans are changing Earth’s climate. The atmosphere and oceans have warmed, accompanied by sea-level rise, a strong decline in Arctic sea ice, and other climate-related changes. The evidence is clear."

I'd be intrigued to know how climate-change denialists, or whatever their preferred term is, respond to this. But I think I know: they will declare the RS and the NAS to be No True Scientists.

Most people are probably familiar with the "No True Scotsman" fallacy, but for those of you who aren't, here's how Antony Flew, the philosopher, described it:

Imagine Hamish McDonald, a Scotsman, sitting down with his Glasgow Morning Herald and seeing an article about how the "Brighton Sex Maniac Strikes Again". Hamish is shocked and declares that "No Scotsman would do such a thing". The next day he sits down to read his Glasgow Morning Herald again; and, this time, finds an article about an Aberdeen man whose brutal actions make the Brighton sex maniac seem almost gentlemanly. This fact shows that Hamish was wrong in his opinion but is he going to admit this? Not likely. This time he says, "No true Scotsman would do such a thing".

This is a common enough arguing tactic. A Lefty says no Lefty would support Blair's wars; someone finds a Lefty who did; the first Lefty says the second Lefty isn't a true Lefty. A Christian says no Christian would believe in gay marriage; someone shows him one who does; the first Christian says the second Christian isn't a true Christian.

So it is with a certain breed of climate sceptic. No true scientist would fall for the lies of Big Windfarm. So any scientist who says that mankind's influence on the climate is dangerous is no true scientist.

In fact the Royal Society has been told it before, by, among other people, my former colleague James Delingpole. (Who's doing very well and seems to be entirely happy over at Breitbart London, by the way, and we wish him all the best, before anyone gets all CHIVERS SLAMS DELINGPOLE AFTER SHOCK BLOG QUIT.) I don't know if the NAS has received the same treatment.

But it's not just those two bodies. Thirty-four national academies have released statements since 2001 confirming that they believe human activity is causing dangerous climate change. Dozens of scientific societies representing geophysicists, meteorologists, oceanographers, agronomists, palaeoclimatologists etc and so on have released similar statements. The world's scientific bodies, it seems, all agree that climate change is a genuine and pressing threat.

Of course, science doesn't progress by consensus, a million experts can agree and be wrong, and so on. But there is a belief among sceptics that by definition, if you're a scientist who believes that dangerous anthropogenic climate change is happening, then you're not a real scientist, you're doing it to get government grants, you're a watermelon communist out to control the people under your jackboot-wellies.

So I'd like to ask the sceptics: what do you say to the National Academy of Sciences, and the Royal Society, and the American Meteorological Society, and the World Meteorological Organisation, and the Geological Society of London? Do you think they're all shills or con artists or secret Marxists? Or do you think they're all incompetent, and that the only competent scientists are the few who happen to agree with you?

Because in my case, if I find that I disagree with the vast majority of experts in a scientific field, I tend to consider the possibility that I'm wrong, and that they're right. Not that I'm the only true Scotsman in the room.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/tomch ... n-fallacy/
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Re: Global Warming

Post by IQS.RLOW » Tue Mar 04, 2014 10:09 pm

Pffft,just another opinion piece you found in your search for confirmation bias...and an appeal to authority. That's not how it works.

The only way you will be appeased if someone invents or finds a new source of energy that is cheaper than coal. That won't happen so suck it up.

Burn the coal and enjoy the minor warming. With warming comes prosperity. You should embrace the warming.
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Re: Global Warming

Post by Super Nova » Tue Mar 04, 2014 10:15 pm

I listen to those that are qualified and the likes of the Royal Society is one of them.
Their open para is "Climate change is one of the defining issues of our time. It is now more certain than ever, based on many lines of evidence, that humans are changing Earth’s climate. The atmosphere and oceans have warmed, accompanied by sea-level rise, a strong decline in Arctic sea ice, and other climate-related changes. " ---- last week.
You seek the bases of why I do understand we have a real risk that needs to be managed. read on.

http://royalsociety.org/policy/projects ... ce-causes/

Climate Change: Evidence & Causes - 27 February 2014

Climate change is one of the defining issues of our time. It is now more certain than ever, based on many lines of evidence, that humans are changing Earth’s climate. The atmosphere and oceans have warmed, accompanied by sea-level rise, a strong decline in Arctic sea ice, and other climate-related changes.

Greenhouse gases such as carbon dioxide (CO2) absorb heat (infrared radiation) emitted from Earth’s surface. Increases in the atmospheric concentrations of these gases cause Earth to warm by trapping more of this heat. Human activities - especially the burning of fossil fuels since the start of the Industrial Revolution - have increased atmospheric CO2 concentrations by about 40%, with more than half the increase occurring since 1970. Since 1900, the global average surface temperature has increased by about 0.8 °C (1.4 °F). This has been accompanied by warming of the ocean, a rise in sea level, a strong decline in Arctic sea ice, and many other associated climate effects. Much of this warming has occurred in the last four decades. Detailed analyses have shown that the warming during this period is mainly a result of the increased concentrations of CO2 and other greenhouse gases. Continued emissions of these gases will cause further climate change, including substantial increases in global average surface temperature and important changes in regional climate. The magnitude and timing of these changes will depend on many factors, and slowdowns and accelerations in warming lasting a decade or more will continue to occur. However, long-term climate change over many decades will depend mainly on the total amount of CO2 and other greenhouse gases emitted as a result of human activities.

Project background

The Royal Society and the US National Academy of Sciences, with their similar missions to promote the use of science to benefit society and to inform critical policy debates, offer this new publication as a key reference document for decision makers, policy makers, educators, and other individuals seeking authoritative answers about the current state of climate change science. The publication makes clear what is well established, where consensus is growing, and where there is still uncertainty. It is written and reviewed by a UK-US team of leading climate scientists. It echoes and builds upon the long history of climate-related work from both national science academies, as well as the newest climate change assessment from the United Nations’ Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.

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Re: Global Warming

Post by Super Nova » Tue Mar 04, 2014 10:22 pm

Note:

The magnitude and timing of these changes will depend on many factors, and slowdowns and accelerations in warming lasting a decade or more will continue to occur. However, long-term climate change over many decades will depend mainly on the total amount of CO2 and other greenhouse gases emitted as a result of human activities.

The recent slow down is the sole bases of you denier argument.

Flawed wot.

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Re: Global Warming

Post by IQS.RLOW » Tue Mar 04, 2014 10:23 pm

...and how did the predictions turn out over the last 17 years?

Oh yes, that's right. The warming didnt happen and they still don't know why. The next guess will be wrong too.

Too bad, so sad. The planet will survive, we will too and we will go on burning coal because it isn't as big a deal as you chicken littles make out.

Suck it up. You have lost. The world is powering ahead and coal is the fuel.
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Re: Global Warming

Post by Super Nova » Tue Mar 04, 2014 11:02 pm

IQS.RLOW wrote:...and how did the predictions turn out over the last 17 years?

Oh yes, that's right. The warming didnt happen and they still don't know why. The next guess will be wrong too.

Too bad, so sad. The planet will survive, we will too and we will go on burning coal because it isn't as big a deal as you chicken littles make out.

Suck it up. You have lost. The world is powering ahead and coal is the fuel.
i accept your surrender


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Re: Global Warming

Post by IQS.RLOW » Tue Mar 04, 2014 11:41 pm

Super Nova wrote:
IQS.RLOW wrote:...and how did the predictions turn out over the last 17 years?

Oh yes, that's right. The warming didnt happen and they still don't know why. The next guess will be wrong too.

Too bad, so sad. The planet will survive, we will too and we will go on burning coal because it isn't as big a deal as you chicken littles make out.

Suck it up. You have lost. The world is powering ahead and coal is the fuel.
i accept your surrender


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Yes, you wave that white flag. You will need it to reflect back the overwhelming heat you won't experience :rofl

Tell me SN, what have you done to mitigate your carbon footprint? Hope you don't fly anywhere? You wouldn't want to be known as a hypocrite would you? Or do you just want to whinge about it, do nothing and hope that the government steps in to control your behaviour?
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Re: Global Warming

Post by Super Nova » Wed Mar 05, 2014 3:58 am

IQS.RLOW wrote: Tell me SN, what have you done to mitigate your carbon footprint? Hope you don't fly anywhere? You wouldn't want to be known as a hypocrite would you? Or do you just want to whinge about it, do nothing and hope that the government steps in to control your behaviour?
You pussy. Nice deflection but no cigar.

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Now you confuse me with a greenie environmentalist when all I am saying is we need to take action to prevent in a long term (1 to 2 hundred years or so) major heating of the planet and the ill effect of that.

1. I try not to buy all that shit in plastic ...etc... but it's everywhere now
2. I try not to fart anymore and when I do I capture it in a balloon and bury it in the backyard as my own personal carbon sink
3. I fly every time I leave the UK but I only choose airlines that are fuel efficient and run on green airline fuel. That is the fuel extracted from the vomit the greenies spew up regularly.
4. bs bs bs

bottom line. Give me an effective alternative for energy to go about my life and to build the things I consume and use. The only option for energy today really is fossil driven... this is the problem mulord. Thus the need for change.

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