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Re: Global Warming

Post by boxy » Sat Aug 02, 2014 1:57 am

Rorschach wrote:I'm sorry English is not your first language.
I made no comment on AGW just the scientific fact that THE SUN is the major climate driver.
As it has always been.
I thought I made that quite clear.
I even backed up with statements from educational/scientific articles from the NET....
Did you miss them?
Bravo :roll:

For Roach's next thesis, he'll confidently assert that 1+1=2, thus disproving the whole basis of relativity, and demanding that science conforms to his preconceptions about reality!

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Re: Global Warming

Post by Rorschach » Sat Aug 02, 2014 9:43 am

boxy wrote:
Rorschach wrote:I'm sorry English is not your first language.
I made no comment on AGW just the scientific fact that THE SUN is the major climate driver.
As it has always been.
I thought I made that quite clear.
I even backed up with statements from educational/scientific articles from the NET....
Did you miss them?
Bravo :roll:

For Roach's next thesis, he'll confidently assert that 1+1=2, thus disproving the whole basis of relativity, and demanding that science conforms to his preconceptions about reality!

Hazzah!
Thanks for backing me up Poxy... apparently Yogi disagrees, or did you misss that. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
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Re: Global Warming

Post by Outlaw Yogi » Tue Aug 05, 2014 2:59 pm

Rorschach wrote:
I'm sorry English is not your first language.
I made no comment on AGW just the scientific fact that THE SUN is the major climate driver.
One I backed up with statements...
Did you miss them?
Actually melon head, English is the 1st language I learnt.
You did comment on AGW by dismissing it with the claim that the sun is to blame.
Statements can be false .. as many of yours tend to be. Thus the reason I put you in the same bucket as Arsie.
I researched the "Sun did it" theory over a decade ago ... and then watched it blown out of the sky with genuine science.
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Re: Global Warming

Post by Outlaw Yogi » Tue Aug 05, 2014 3:04 pm

Rorschach wrote: Thanks for backing me up Poxy... apparently Yogi disagrees, or did you misss that. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
Don't include me in your wank-fest, Arsie the 2nd.
Misrepresenting others is his (Arsie's) forte.
The fact you mimic his antics, suggests a similar if not the same character type.
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Re: Global Warming

Post by Outlaw Yogi » Tue Aug 05, 2014 3:08 pm

[Pardon any spelling mistakes, this'll probably be a rush job]

GW and fake science.

Ever heard the expression "Those who forget the past are bound to repeat it"?.
Well here in the GW denial crowd is just such an example of history repeating itself.
The reason I posed the question "How many times does a bogus theory need debunking?"
is the GW denial crew are so fixated on rejecting the strongest argument/most likely
explanation for the cause of GW they constantly bounce from one moonbat theory to the next.

First they denied the existence of GW outright, til they looked as loopy as psychotic conspiracy
nutters claiming royals are shape shifting lizards from outer space. Then they blamed the sun, or
sun spots in particular. When that was disproven they claimed GW was caused by Milankovic cycles.
When that was shown to be bunkum, they said underwater volcanoes were to blame.

When that theory fell over for lack of evidence, they went back to outright denial again, claiming
GW is a global conspiracy. Thus insinuating that every meteorologist worth a pinch of shit is a fraud,
and that both the instrumental record and satellite data is also fraudulent. So while high temp records
were being universally broken, the polar regions and glaciers all melting away, and the oceans rising
they said GW was bullshit, and that the planet was actually cooling. Now they're back to
"The sun did it" again. Jumping from one debunked theory to the next like they were a mad Greek running
naked through the streets screaming "Eureka, I have found it" every time they come up with another
potential explanation is no more rational that the pseudo-christian doomsday cultists claiming destroying
the world is "part of God's plan". And unsurprizingly these two groups - GW deniers and Jesus freaks -
are often one in the same.

This recycling of pseudo-scientific fairy tales is the same tactic Nazis used to demonize Jews prior to
and during WW2, and what vegetarians do today to blame meat eaters for all the world's ills, or feminists
use to accuse men for women's own failings. When one fabricated story is proven false, just make up another
one. And when their imagination runs dry, they just re-run the old material.

The pathology of denial at any cost implies GW deniers are adults with the mentality of a child caught
with their hand in the biscuit tin while blaming the kid next door. The only thing I can commend the
denial come skeptic crowd on is, at least they are looking for alternate possibilities, but claiming an
unlikely scenario as the definitive answer illustrates foolishness and asserting disproven theories as
fact demonstrates dishonesty and/or stupidity. But in any case it no longer matters, the frozen methane
is being freed uncombusted. Our civilisation is doomed. Some time this century humanity will probably have
to spend most daylight hours underground. I suspect old mine tunnels will be the most viable option.

The confidence I have in my own assessment of the situation comes from the fact I have researched this
topic from every angle proposed, and a couple of my own I thought may be feasible as well. This is how
I know Tim Flannery is clueless on the subject, because he just parrots others' appraisals including mine.
His most memorable blunder was when he proposed GW abatement by terraforming the atmosphere with
photochemical smog.

In my not so humble opinon the easiest theories to dismiss are Milankovic cycles and sun spot activity/solar
flares, and the hardest to debunk is GHGs and precession of the Equinoxes/axial precession. I also accept
the cause of GW could be a combination of GHGs and axial precession.

So deniers and skeptics, by all means search for possible alternate causes, but don't expect rational people
to take you seriously if you have no credible evidence to back your argument or knowledge to support your
beliefs.
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Re: Global Warming

Post by Rorschach » Tue Aug 05, 2014 7:53 pm

Outlaw Yogi wrote:
Rorschach wrote:
I'm sorry English is not your first language.
I made no comment on AGW just the scientific fact that THE SUN is the major climate driver.
One I backed up with statements...
Did you miss them?
Actually melon head, English is the 1st language I learnt.
You did comment on AGW by dismissing it with the claim that the sun is to blame.
Statements can be false .. as many of yours tend to be. Thus the reason I put you in the same bucket as Arsie.
I researched the "Sun did it" theory over a decade ago ... and then watched it blown out of the sky with genuine science.
Like I said is English your first language... :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
let me know when the penny drops or you get someone who speaks English proper to explain it to you. :roll:
I didn't post crap, I posted genuine science.
maybe you should take a valium and try reading what I actually said again.
Somehow I don't think it'll help though. :du
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Re: Global Warming

Post by Rorschach » Tue Aug 05, 2014 7:56 pm

Oh and Yogi... I'll let IQS take first shot at your last post :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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Re: Global Warming

Post by IQS.RLOW » Tue Aug 05, 2014 8:04 pm

I honestly can't be fucked anymore explaining the science to retards who don't have a clue but have no doubt that a govt can tax its citizens into controlling the climate.

I will just burn every bit bit of carbon you save simply because...fuck you.
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Re: Global Warming

Post by Rorschach » Tue Aug 05, 2014 10:27 pm

I love this one for starters...
Ever heard the expression "Those who forget the past are bound to repeat it"?.
Well here in the GW denial crowd is just such an example of history repeating itself.
The reason I posed the question "How many times does a bogus theory need debunking?"
is the GW denial crew are so fixated on rejecting the strongest argument/most likely
explanation
for the cause of GW they constantly bounce from one moonbat theory to the next.
Most likely eh... not definitive or proven. Good-o. Because all those "moonbats" you talk about have been saying that since day 1.
Also they haven't been the ones changing their minds on what is happening in fact it was the Thermageddonists who have changed their calls many times from; warming to Cooling to dimming to warming... until in the end, it was... oh what the heck, lets just call it Climate Change... that way we can be right no matter what happens. Yep that stops the constant bouncing alright :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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Re: Global Warming

Post by Super Nova » Thu Aug 07, 2014 10:04 pm

For the purposes of good debate one must chose a side.

After this thread and even more reading I am really struggling to find any compelling arguments for global warming beyond the models used by IPPC.

I see space scientists talk about a solar dip were we expect a mini ice age. It is due now.

FFS do I buy an air-conditioning unit or a heater.
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