Scott Morrison

[brian ross]

Cods, I am unsure what you're saying there. Could you spell it out in more plain English for me?

It appears from what I can gather, you really don't understand how the Australian Parliamentary System works very well. When you vote in a general election, you vote for your member, to represent you in the House of Representatives. From the party which has the greatest number of representatives, a leader is elected, by those MPs. That leader becomes the Prime Minister. You, as a voter only have an indirect effect on that selection. It is up to the MPs who they select. The MPs are free to switch their allegiance to another leader if they so desire and this has happened several times in the past - under Menzies (I), under Whitlam and under Rudd, Gillard and Abbott and Trumble. This has resulted in a new Prime Minister and sometimes a new Government being elected by the people.

To the MPs, it doesn't matter whether or not a PM does or does not accomplish a certain act. What matters is their popularity with the electorate, according to the policies they are enacting. Tone Rabbit was ousted 'cause he was a nong. No one liked what he was up to - re-enacting titles and so on. So, he claimed he stopped the boats but that wasn't his sole claim to fame. His government was disorganised and a dog's breakfast and the electorate reflected that in the low level of support they accorded him in the opinion polls. His party's MPs decided to act and knifed him in the back, electing Trumble to lead them instead.

This is basically the same thing that happened to Rudd and Gillard. Rudd was unable/unwilling to delegate - he was all furious action without any discernable motion. Gillard was unpopular because she had basically lied to the electorate about a carbon tax and Murdoch for some reason hated the idea of a female PM - this was despite the fact she was perhaps the most successful of post-Hawke PMs, getting all her legislation through a parliament with a minority number of PMs on her side. Rudd won back the PM's position and then lost the election - fair and square. Abbott won and then lost the Prime Ministership to his own MPs. Tut, tut. Makes you wonder what the real difference is between the ALP and the Tories...

[Neferti]

If you ask any Joe Blow in the street who they will vote for, I can guarantee that they will mention either the current Prime Minister or the Opposition Leader. Most voters wouldn't have a clue who their local MP is, less alone his/her name, until an Election is announced and they are about to vote! At which time they will see pictures and get junk mail about the coming Election. Not everybody lives their life thinking about politics.

[cods]

If you ask any Joe Blow in the street who they will vote for, I can guarantee that they will mention either the current Prime Minister or the Opposition Leader. Most voters wouldn't have a clue who their local MP is, less alone his/her name, until an Election is announced and they are about to vote! At which time they will see pictures and get junk mail about the coming Election. Not everybody lives their life thinking about politics.

only lefties argue on this one nef.....I bet most dont even know who their local member is in the feds

of course we vote for the leader and guess what brian..

they get stabbed in the back because of PEOPLE VOTING IN STOOPID POLLS>>.

guess what they vote on? who is your preferred PM>...yeah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! suck it up sunshine..

like I have said elsewhere

I dont care who you vote for..

I know ......I vote for the leader

and guess what brian..?

I havent voted liberal since turncoat took over.........


now it may be different I will watch and see.


but I do not give my vote to just anyone I can assure you......unlike the rusted on who will vote for a pig because it wears lipstick..

[brian ross]

If you ask any Joe Blow in the street who they will vote for, I can guarantee that they will mention either the current Prime Minister or the Opposition Leader. Most voters wouldn't have a clue who their local MP is, less alone his/her name, until an Election is announced and they are about to vote! At which time they will see pictures and get junk mail about the coming Election. Not everybody lives their life thinking about politics.

As we used to say in the Army, "sounds like a personal problem, do you want to see the Padre about it?" If they choose to live in ignorance, who's fault is that? Politics is well documented, it is well understood by those who wish to understand it. It is not difficult, unless people are wilfully ignorant.

When you cast your vote, you vote for your local member, not for the Prime Minister. It is up to the local MPs, voting as a bloc, in the House to form a party and select a leader who becomes the Prime Minister, who forms government and leads it. Simples really. I suppose we could become a Presidential style system, like Israel tried over a decade ago. They abandoned directly electing the Prime Minister within a term, as essentially unworkable in a Parliametary system. The US has shown how badly a Presidential system can become - with the present incumbent failing to win the popular vote and only being elected by the Electoral College. Tut, tut.

[brian ross]

only lefties argue on this one nef.....I bet most dont even know who their local member is in the feds

of course we vote for the leader and guess what brian..

they get stabbed in the back because of PEOPLE VOTING IN STOOPID POLLS>>.

guess what they vote on? who is your preferred PM>...yeah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! suck it up sunshine..

like I have said elsewhere

I dont care who you vote for..

I know ......I vote for the leader

and guess what brian..?

I havent voted liberal since turncoat took over.........

now it may be different I will watch and see.

but I do not give my vote to just anyone I can assure you......unlike the rusted on who will vote for a pig because it wears lipstick..

That is your choice, Cods. However, you are not actually voting for the leader or the Prime Minister you are voting to elect your local member - the person who represents your electorate in the House. You may choose to believe otherwise but in reality you're just whistlin' dixie. It is not how the electoral system works.

As for being rusted on, well, I am not. I vote for the local MP who I believe will represent my views better.

[Neferti]

If you ask any Joe Blow in the street who they will vote for, I can guarantee that they will mention either the current Prime Minister or the Opposition Leader. Most voters wouldn't have a clue who their local MP is, less alone his/her name, until an Election is announced and they are about to vote! At which time they will see pictures and get junk mail about the coming Election. Not everybody lives their life thinking about politics.

only lefties argue on this one nef.....I bet most dont even know who their local member is in the feds

of course we vote for the leader and guess what brian..

they get stabbed in the back because of PEOPLE VOTING IN STOOPID POLLS>>.

guess what they vote on? who is your preferred PM>...yeah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! suck it up sunshine..

like I have said elsewhere

I dont care who you vote for..

I know ......I vote for the leader

and guess what brian..?

I havent voted liberal since turncoat took over.........


now it may be different I will watch and see.


but I do not give my vote to just anyone I can assure you......unlike the rusted on who will vote for a pig because it wears lipstick..

Well said, Cods. I voted INFORMAL in the 2016 Election because of Turncoat. I am glad that he is no longer PM (and now sooking in New York), he shouldn't have been PM in the first place and after Tony Abbott winning with a landslide (and 16 extra seats or something) good old Turncoat just scraped in. In other words, a million Liberal Party voters refused to vote for him so he LOST the majority that Abbott had attained! Delcons indeed!

So far, Scott is doing well (can't stand the ScoMo nick), he is coming across as a genuine person and definitely not sitting around, lounging back in the Big Chair, taking "selfies" (like Rudd did). If he continues he might appeal to the "swinging voters" and claw back the so-called "delcons" that couldn't stand Turncoat, we will see. The rusted on Leftards will vote for Shortarse, regardless but us righties are a little more discerning.

[Rorschach]

I know who my local fed member is and state and even some of the locals...

[Rorschach]

Were you prepared to give all of the following a "fair go," Cods?

Kevin Rudd;
Julia Gillard;
Kevin Rudd;
Tone Rabbit;
Malcolm Trumble?

A simple YES/NO will suffice.

The above post from the site hypocrite...
Don't have a go at cods bwian... take a long hard look at that great big mote in your own eye....
Tone Rabbitt??????? tsk, tsk, tsk mr hypocrite...

I'd have been happy to vote them all out BTW.

[Neferti]

As we used to say in the Army, "sounds like a personal problem, do you want to see the Padre about it?" If they choose to live in ignorance, who's fault is that? Politics is well documented, it is well understood by those who wish to understand it. It is not difficult, unless people are wilfully ignorant.

If you were a "grunt" in The Army, that says a lot. Are you a Vietnam Vet?

When you cast your vote, you vote for your local member, not for the Prime Minister. It is up to the local MPs, voting as a bloc, in the House to form a party and select a leader who becomes the Prime Minister, who forms government and leads it.

Yes, EVERYBODY knows that, Brian. However, the NORMAL, average, Aussies generally have absolutely NO interest, whatsoever, in politics. This is a good reason why "compulsory" turning up at the Polls on Election Day is a PITA.

Simples really. I suppose we could become a Presidential style system, like Israel tried over a decade ago. They abandoned directly electing the Prime Minister within a term, as essentially unworkable in a Parliametary system. The US has shown how badly a Presidential system can become - with the present incumbent failing to win the popular vote and only being elected by the Electoral College. Tut, tut.

What, on earth, does Israel and, especially, the USA Elections have to do with Australia?

[Neferti]

I know who my local fed member is and state and even some of the locals...

Me too. I even know "my" Senator.