Gay SHAME???

[lisa jones]

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/0 ... de-jersey/

What do you reckon?

[Bobby]

My opinions are here:

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl ... 798377/0#8

[mellie]

The sacking of Wallaby star Israel Folau prompted soul-searching questions of religious freedoms and expression in Australia, far beyond rugby or any sport.
His sacking spoke more about the AFL and how politicians and sports administrators need to practice what they preach. Tolerance and understanding perhaps?
Respectful Relationships too?
Diversity and inclusion maybe?

Only when it suits their agenda apparently.

Hypocrisy at it's finest. They lost a good player, and likely have lost so many more since, we just haven't heard about.

He was silenced with a legal deal they agreed upon between both parties at court, it would have been quite hefty I'd imagine.

[Jasin]

No-one wants to shower in the locker rooms after a game with homos. Poor Wallabies had to put up with Alan Jones

[mellie]

Just as I didn't feel comfortable with my daughter being assisted in the shower after school swimming scheme by a transvestite.

Why are we expected to do things that make us feel uncomfortable in order to make others feel comfortable?

I wouldn't want to make anyone feel uncomfortable so if I were still nursing, and my patient was a natural born female who had transitioned to a male, and they expressly requested to be nursed by a male, I would not give this a second thought, my priority being that they felt comfortable with whoever assisted them in the shower or providing them with care.

This is why I feel intrinsically offended by them being offended by my wanting not to share a bathroom with a natural born male or have my female child attended to in the shower by one either.

This isn't about mutual respect, it's about them wanting to make political statements and push others out of their comfort zones.
A form of bullying.

And our stupid woke government panders to it.
How thick can you get?
...... It's all about votes and filling jobs that most people don't want to do. And if 99% of voters feel offended, our government couldn't care less.
Apparently we have to change our culture and spiritual beliefs in order to accommodate the whims of a minority of people who don't want to respect other's rights to free will.

[Jasin]

When I did AiN Aged Care showering, etc was easy. At that age there was no real sexual state of being or connection. Though the was the odd female groper, but it's a rare interaction of mostly just a laugh.
When I worked the hospitals, I was in demand by a lot of elderly gentlemen and ex-military who didn't want to be assisted by young female staff. Understandable.
As a male. I never ever attended any male or female under 20 years of age by myself as they were ethically 'kids'. Once or twice I assisted female staff minimally. I even told a GM of a private hospital to "get f@#ked" when I was reprimanded for refusing to be in a compromised situation with a boy to be toilet assisted.
Ethics.
So many Staff and patients cross the line off professionalism.

It is a gnarly and complicated issue Mellie.
At Braeside. One shift we were all male, well one was a gay tranny. A 16 year old girl needed a shower and we refused to the NUM, but the tranny was the successful loophole and did it.

I've had 40 something vain women wish for only female assistance, but I would say " Get over it, you're not young girl".
I've had Moslem men say males are not to attend their wives. I've said "This is a hospital, not a holy place." and carried on.
(You can only do this in Private)

I guess you just have to read the moment, the person and if it's an emergency with no options.

[mellie]

Jasin, I personally wouldn't feel comfortable being showered by a male or tranny of any age, if I had to choose between the lesbian and a Gay male tho, I would let the born female shower me before the male. I'm not vain, just feel very self conscious being naked around people who are strangers, but less so in the company of females my same sex.
It's not a vanity or even religious thing, it's just I was raised by a staunchly Methodist grandmother who instilled me with modesty, especially around members of the opposite sex.

The objective is to maintain the patients dignity at all times, we learn about this in ethics, 1st year of nursing at uni.
Respect comes into this too, if a patient has requested a female to wash her and in a hospital situation, in most cases they will assign a same-sex PCA to do it anyway.

In the nursing home or psychiatric or disability sectors, they try to do the same, and if it's not possible, they will often do the best with what they have.

I'm a firm believer in giving patients "clients " the right to choice.
Except when they refuse showers in which case this can impact on the overall health and safety of the care environment.
We can't however force patients to take showers, we generally used gently persuasive techniques.
If this failed, we'd offer top'n'tails as an alternative.
If they didn't wish to be touched at all, then we respected their wishes.

This can be different in a nursing home environment however, whereby you might have vulnerable people who aren't really capable of providing consent. Ie, dementia clients.
Nursing homes have outbreaks of disease ie scabies, lice, fungal infections and viruses so....

My first year placement was at Bethal Lodge Aged Care It was quite posh compared to some of the local nursing homes.
Our uni selected our placements, we got to choose from the list of facilities that had already been chosen for USYD students.
I had already been working in a hospital as an EN before going to uni to become an RN however, so I knew the drill.
Most clients at Bethal lodge Ashfield had family who would come in and assist with showers for those who weren't comfortable with whoever was available.

[mellie]

There's probably only one male I would feel comfortable with assisting me in a shower ( If I absolutely had to let one) and this would be my ex- husband, we are good friends, he even spends Christmas' , Easters, birthdays here with us and the kids as a family, he even moved to Ballarat because he valued the importance of family.

Not my youngest daughters father though, as we don't have any sort of relationship.
I think I'd really freak out if my youngest daughters father became a PCA and happened to be in ER if I had some sort of accident or emergency incident whereby I needed an emergency shower, and he was assigned my PCA. Even worse, I wasn't able to speak, or advocate for myself....yheeeeek, the very stuff of nightmares



I think I'm definitely going to have nightmares tonight lol

[Jasin]

Nope Mellie.
If there are no females around to shower you. It's a male!

[mellie]

Nope Mellie.
If there are no females around to shower you. It's a male!

In an emergency perhaps. Thankfully, I have 2 daughters and a stepdaughter along with plenty of female friends.