NBN take up = 16%

[IQSRLOW]

You are confusing the queen with facts SN. Nothing can dissuade him that every Liebor beer coater idea is better than sliced bread.

This idiot is still saying that Liebor killing people and burning homes through their insulation debacle was still a good idea and should be kept going. You are wasting electrons on a waster of oxygen

[Ethnic]

Why is the government going for an opt-out system? That means people have to write a letter specifically stating that they don't want to be connected to the $43 billion Labor orgy network. 16%? Oh Liebor I know it isn't your money you're wasting but, please, show a little more respect for us taxpayers.

[IQSRLOW]

Because they know they have introduced a white elephant and they are trying to force everyone onto it to make the stats look good. Typical liebor tactics

[Super Nova]

You are confusing the queen with facts SN. Nothing can dissuade him that every Liebor beer coater idea is better than sliced bread.

This idiot is still saying that Liebor killing people and burning homes through their insulation debacle was still a good idea and should be kept going. You are wasting electrons on a waster of oxygen

You could be right IQ however I am up for the debate. I think it is a waste of money and i have not seen an argument to support this sort of spend from Monk that goes anywhere near being compelling.

I am hoping to get that from him in this debate. That what this forum is for so I am participating in a constructive debate. I seek to build on my argument.

Everyone would love 1Gbs to their door. i ask... WTF for. Who really needs this level of capacity. It is nonsense. I will never ever need such capacity. It is all BS. If we do then the software is just poorly designed. Like Micro$oft. Fill the computer with shit until your machine runs so slow you need an upgrade they will need to design web applications that fill up the network with massive data transfers. Internet TV will never need this capacity to the door for example.

Cheers, SN

[Jovial Monk]

1Gbps or 10Gbps will be mainly for big companies/govt etc.

At home sustained 100Mbps/80Mbps will be great!

The Telstra network needs replacing! It is rotting in the ground and Telstra is just letting it do that! It caters to the well to do because that is easy and profitable and the rest can just get fucked! fantastic behavior for the national carrier NOT!

The new network will bring the 10% or so still on dialup into the real world, allowing children of these people to join everybody else in using the learning/entertainment facilities of the net. This is good. Business, education and health will all benefit tremendously from 1/10Gbps speeds and that helps everyone—but everyone will need to be on decent speed, no point trying to upload an XRay via crap wireless or slow fixed line speed. Everyone needs to have fast web.

The insulation thing, there are less fires from the HIP than there were from Howard’s Sydney airport noise insulation program! Despite the HIP insulating 1.2m homes!!! That is because Garrett set out standards to be followed for the first time ever! It is sad and unfortunate that those four young installers died: three died in Qld where inspections of electrical installations has long been a joke so sheet the blame home to where it belongs eh? Those deaths will mean future young installers are much less likely to die. Retrofitting insulation is a very dangerous occupation—I couldn’t get exact figures from the ABS but insulation installation was in the category of the very highest rate of injury. Do a bit of research eh?

Nothing like few facts eh?

Celly, if you wanted to opt out, dunno why, how long before Telstra just pulls the plug on the copper and you have to subscribe to the NBN anyway? Paying more? Yes the tax payers are funding a bit over half of it. But if the govt never built roads we would still be riding horses everywhere!

[Ethnic]

If Liebor wasn't wasting $43 billion on a useless network there would be no need to shut the copper network down. Fuck this expensive white elephant. There are better, effective and cheaper ways to get better internet. Wireless is just a start. Why do Labor always have to fuck everything up?

[Jovial Monk]

The NBN is based on expert advice and will propel our economy into the 21st century! Wireless just cannot deliver bandwidth, FTTH can and in spades! What it can do for schools and hospitals, government and business will be radical! For private consumers the ability to truly work from home, families across Australia/the world can communicate with true real-time high definition video calls, can enjoy TV over IP, radically increasing the number of channels that they can access. Let us not forget the growth of web2 since the NBN will offer uploads at nearly the same speed as downloads, no limit on the amount of info downloaded etc etc.

Calling this a beer coaster idea just shows a complete ignorance of what is at stake! During the tender process for FTTN experts were briefing the govt that for all sorts of reasons (incl not letting Telstra skim of profits from the node to the home.) If the NBN was a bad idea people like Quigly who is donating his entire first years salary to leukaemia research would NOT be associated with it!

And the copper network is not up to it and deteriorating all the time—a completely new network is needed, WTF stick with crap copper?

[Ethnic]

If you want it Monk then you pay for it. People have to now be forced to join up because they're not interested in it. It's interesting to note that if this was a Liberal government doing this you would be criticising it beyond belief. Over half the country don't want it and want to explore other, better and more effective options, regardless of the government in charge of it. Your opinions seems to be based on Labor-supporting bloggers. I'd rather trust the opinions of those who have made their fortune in telecommunications rather than a government that has so far bungled every policy it has implemented. Where is the cost-benefit analysis? What is this government afraid of? Another white elephant to dominate and set the agenda for competing companies.

[Super Nova]

Malcolm Turnbull says a Liberal government won't discard existing National Broadband Network (NBN) infrastructure if it wins the next election.

The shadow communication and broadband minister made the comments at a business banking forum in Sydney today.

Mr Turnbull said the Labor government's plan to close the existing copper wire network and replace it with a fibre optic network was wasteful.

Advertisement: Story continues below "You can be sure that we won't start ripping things up (if elected)", he said in his opening address to the AB+F Corporate and Business Banking Forum.

Mr Turnbull said it was "simply reckless and irresponsible" of the government not to perform a cost benefit analysis before spending $43 billion on the NBN.

"The Gillard government must urgently undertake a thorough cost benefit analysis of the NBN," he said.

"Its stubborn failure to do so can only lead us to conclude that it does not want to know what it fears it will reveal."

Mr Turnbull said overcapitalising on the NBN infrastructure would lead to higher prices for customers, or a loss for the government.

"It will either have to charge higher prices from the customer, or for political reasons ... not be able to generate adequate returns and end up with a value below its $43 billion."

Excellent - just as I called it. A waste of money.

[Super Nova]

If Australians do not opt in to the national broadband network (NBN) as it is rolled out they will lose their fixed-line phone service unless they pay a one-time fee of about $300

http://www.theage.com.au/technology/tec ... 16ms3.html

Now isn't this nice. You have to provide consent to have NBN to you home, if you fail to do so, they will decommission the copper network and then you have to pay to connect to NBN.

NBN is not optional it is mandatory. If you don't waste to government's money they will make you pay personally to connect later. Doesn't sound like there is any point debating this topic because it is a done deal... it will be imposed and all we can do is comment on how our predictions are close to the mark.

So you may as well give you consent..... give it now.... the money is burned.... let's hope you can get more the a few mbps out of the link to NBN.