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Nanny State seeks to remove all risks in cars

Post by Super Nova » Wed Feb 09, 2011 12:06 am

Nanny State seeks to remove all risks in my mind. What are the views on this article.

Reduced alcohol limit from .05 to .02 is just silly except for the yongest of driver. Hell I get to 0.2 smelling a beer and 0.5 is no imparement at all. Now they want to ban mobile phones in cars even if they are hands free. What they are trying to do is remove all risk from living. they just can not do that. I can lower the road toll. Stop everyone from driving. That will fix the stats for them.

Advances in technology will only continue and having this technology around us all the time is just the way it will be. banning it in cars is a stupid idea. Peole will just break the law. If i am late to a meeting and am stuck in traffic, I ring them. If I have a long trip i attend meetings in the car. I use my time in the car to talk to people on the phone, hands free. It is dangerous to dial or read texts while driving and that will be easier in the future with preprogrammed numbers or voice activated dialing getting better. Is it ilegal to change the radio channel, change a CD or just play with the dials on the dashboard... no. It is the same in my mind.

Being alive is a risk. the risk is you may die. We have to manage the risks not elimate them. This one just pisses me off. I can remove all risks... take none, do nothing, move no-where.

Who here has a good argument supporting the reports view. It was good to see the government still favours hands free but i wonder hw long before the PC tell you how to do everything brigade get their way.

http://theage.drive.com.au/motor-news/b ... 1ak61.html
Bans on drinking and phones would save lives: report Adam Carey
February 8, 2011
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A driver on his phone in Chapel Street. Photo: John Woudstra

DRINK-DRIVING laws could be toughened to reduce the limit from .05 to .02 or even zero for people aged under 26, after a national road safety report found younger drivers contributed to more than a third of alcohol-related road deaths.

The possibility of banning mobile phone use while driving is also raised by the report, which says that all phone use is a dangerous distraction. It is currently legal to use a hands-free device while driving.

''There is evidence to support bans on all mobile phone use while driving,'' it states.

Advertisement: Story continues below However, the state government has indicated it favours current laws allowing use of hands-free mobile phones for all but learner and probationary drivers.

The report reveals that in Victoria, those aged 18 to 25 account for just 13 per cent of licensed drivers, but 36 per cent of all drink-drivers killed in road crashes.

''Reducing the legal BAC [blood alcohol content] limit from 0.05 to zero (or 0.02) for young drivers up to the age of 26 would prevent a significant number of deaths and serious injuries per year across Australia,'' the report states.

''It has been suggested that this would have a similar benefit as raising the legal drinking age from 18 to 21 years without the same level of impact on the community.''

The draft report, which is being reviewed by all transport ministers, noted the experience of Sweden, which reduced its drink-driving limit from .05 to .02 in the 1990s and had a 10 per cent drop in fatal crashes involving alcohol.

But road safety expert Missy Rudin-Brown warned such a change would not affect the more serious drink-drive offenders. ''Lowering the blood-alcohol limit from .05 to .02 for drivers is not likely to have that much of a significant effect on crash risk, because the people who are .02 or .05 are the same people, they have just one drink,'' said Dr Rudin-Brown, senior research fellow at Monash University Accident Research Centre.

The report also proposes greater use of alcohol locking devices to prevent drink-drivers getting behind the wheel, arguing that with their use, drink driving could be almost eliminated within 10 years.

Victoria Police reacted cautiously to the proposal. A spokeswoman said any decision to toughen drink-driving laws ''would need to be well researched and evidence-based''.

Victoria's police minister, Peter Ryan, said he was against a mobile phone ban.

''These things are always worth considering but I have my misgivings … '' he said on 3AW. ''It would cause a lot of interruption to the way in which people live their lives.''

There was little support for a ban among car makers. Holden safety integration manager, Steve Curtis, said a balance needed to be struck between technological advancement and avoiding driver distraction.

The draft report is up for consultation until February 18 and scheduled to take effect later this year
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Post by Outlaw Yogi » Wed Feb 09, 2011 11:08 am

When I heard the TV report that using mobile phones in cars, including hands free set-ups, I said "That's ridiculous because its unenforcable, if you're using a blue tooth set-up, how are they [cops] going to know?"

People seem to be under the misconception that police are there to prevent crime, when in reality police are there to stand over the public and extort money from them on behalf of government.

Lao Tse (aprox 50 years younger than Confucious) said that inventing new laws just creates more criminals, and he was correct, but then that's governments' intention - to create more criminals so they can be taxed via fines.

Ever noticed that when a population becomes too compliant with laws of the land, the government outlaws more aspects of everyday behaviour?

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Re: Nanny State seeks to remove all risks in cars

Post by boxy » Wed Feb 09, 2011 8:24 pm

What is it about us? The more of us we breed, the more we try to ensure that every single one of them is safe at all times.

We should be encouraging a thinning of of the herd.
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Post by IQS.RLOW » Wed Feb 09, 2011 8:45 pm

boxy wrote:What is it about us? The more of us we breed, the more we try to ensure that every single one of them is safe at all times.

We should be encouraging a thinning of of the herd.
You will notice that most of these ideas come from the looney left. A thinning of the herd would see their own numbers decimated hence their desire to protect their ilk from their own stupidity
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Re: Nanny State seeks to remove all risks in cars

Post by mantra » Wed Feb 09, 2011 9:25 pm

I think banning mobile phones in cars is almost as relevant to safe driving as wearing seatbelts. There are too many idiots out there addicted to texting and chatting and oblivious to others on the road.

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Post by IQS.RLOW » Wed Feb 09, 2011 9:39 pm

Women over 35 should be banned then.

http://www.scienceagogo.com/news/199805 ... _sys.shtml
Females over the age of 35, however, are significantly more likely to crash than their male counterparts.
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Re: Nanny State seeks to remove all risks in cars

Post by Super Nova » Thu Feb 10, 2011 4:22 am

Time to hand over your lipsticks girls.

http://www.theage.com.au/digital-life/m ... 1alnj.html
Lippy risk greater than using mobile Nicky Phillips
February 9, 2011
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Distracting ... crash risks are raised by a variety of activities.

PUTTING on make-up or reading a map behind the wheel can be far more distracting than talking on the phone.

A year-long US driving study found applying make-up increased a driver's crash risk threefold and keying in a phone number 2.8 times, but talking or listening in a phone call only 1.3 times.

Researchers from the Virginia Tech Transportation Institute installed cameras and sensors in 100 vehicles to collect 43,000 hours of driving data over more than 3 million kilometres so they could study real-world driving conditions.

Advertisement: Story continues below Although talking on a phone did not significantly increase crash risk, a driver must take several risk-increasing steps to use the device. Reaching for a phone, headset or ear piece and keying in a number increased the risk by five to six times.

The difference between high risk and low risk involved the amount of visual distraction, said the study, published in the US in 2009. Mark Stevenson, an epidemiologist who studies driving distractions, said naturalistic car studies were valuable but the results could be misleading.
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Re: Nanny State seeks to remove all risks in cars

Post by J.W. Frogen » Thu Feb 10, 2011 2:20 pm

As long as I am driving I can promise all freedom loving people there will be risk on our roads!!!!!!!!!

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Post by Neferti » Thu Feb 10, 2011 5:48 pm

Ha ha. Driving with a couple of toddlers in car seats is a health hazard as well. Driving with your MIL (mother-in-law) backseat driving is a hazard too.

If we are deemed to die in a car accident, it will happen. The Cops then only have to attend and write reports. What are they worried about?

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Re: Nanny State seeks to remove all risks in cars

Post by boxy » Thu Feb 10, 2011 9:13 pm

He lives! :D

Good to see you haven't left us yet, Frogs... nor taken out any innocent bystanders :P
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