Greens Policies are responsible for deaths

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Re: Greens Policies are responsible for deaths

Post by skippy » Wed Feb 18, 2009 2:02 pm

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Re: Greens Policies are responsible for deaths

Post by Jovial Monk » Wed Feb 18, 2009 2:07 pm

:mrgreen:

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Re: Greens Policies are responsible for deaths

Post by boxy » Wed Feb 18, 2009 2:23 pm

The long term greenish policy of making national, state, or pretty much any native parkland absolutely sacrosanct has indeed contributed to increased fuel loads everywhere. Eucalypt forests are quite different from those that were here when the first fleet arrived, however there is this attitude that they can not be "managed" for fuel loads, even if regular, cooler, mosaic burning would benefit them in the medium to long term. The attitude is "fire burn trees and little furry mammals, fire bad!".

There's also the amount of red tape you have to go through, in most council areas, to remove even an individual tree (not even native) in a backyard. Fundamentalist Greens lobbyists... bah!
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Re: Greens Policies are responsible for deaths

Post by Jovial Monk » Wed Feb 18, 2009 2:31 pm

That might have been true 15 years ago boxy, doubt it is true now. Everybody knows most native vegetation needs fire to germinate.

There are also disputes over how much fuel reduction burns reduce the severity of bushfires.

Global warming causes longer runs of increasingly hot days and if a bushfire is started that means they will burn hotter & grow bigger.

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Re: Greens Policies are responsible for deaths

Post by AntiGreen » Wed Feb 18, 2009 2:35 pm

Lets not forget the influence of those NGO's tied to the Greens such as the Wilderness Society who are full of extremists who bleat to the govt every time a cow farts or a tree is uprooted.

The have created havoc for farmers and land owners due to green ideology

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Re: Greens Policies are responsible for deaths

Post by Guest » Wed Feb 18, 2009 2:37 pm

Fire at hand- global warming make a stand!
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Re: Greens Policies are responsible for deaths

Post by Postul8 » Wed Feb 18, 2009 2:42 pm

I blame local authorities and money-grubbing developers

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Re: Greens Policies are responsible for deaths

Post by boxy » Wed Feb 18, 2009 2:44 pm

You try getting a bureaucrat to put their arse on the line by authorising a controlled burn in "their" park then, Monk. Even if you wade through the excuses not to do it, and actually get a commitment, the conditions have to be absolutely perfect on the day it's scheduled, or it gets <s>rescheduled</s>... <s>postponed</s>... canceled.
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Re: Greens Policies are responsible for deaths

Post by mantra. » Wed Feb 18, 2009 5:17 pm

You try getting a bureaucrat to put their arse on the line by authorising a controlled burn in "their" park then, Monk. Even if you wade through the excuses not to do it, and actually get a commitment, the conditions have to be absolutely perfect on the day it's scheduled, or it gets <s>rescheduled</s>... <s>postponed</s>... canceled.
Yes - so why do these actions make the Greens responsible? The deals they usually make with the two major parties have nothing to do with backburning - although they are against the ravaging of Tasmania's beautiful forests through logging.

If you bother to look into the causal affect of these fires properly you will find that not only are many of the local communities at loggerheads as to whether to backburn or not to backburn, but as Postul said the state governments accept handouts from big developers who build new estates in fire prone areas, usually with only one combined entrance/exit. There are many environmental reports, findings & recommendations that are completely ignored by the bureaucrats and just thrown in the too hard basket and this is because of the cost involved in harm reduction and a lack of understanding of up to date scientific methods of minimising bushfires.

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Re: Greens Policies are responsible for deaths

Post by Jovial Monk » Wed Feb 18, 2009 5:41 pm

They would actually have to work and to spend serious money!

A Federal Minister is needed to stop States just backsliding!

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