Nielsen's polls show Labor really is doomed

[skippy]

26%

You seem to have a stutter,spermy.

[mellie]

Much more like 32% like NewsPol and ER but enjoy while it lasts. Best not look at Abbott’s approvals from now on, might lead to an increase in codeine etc intake.

Again, this is not a direct-elect republican style election therefore people vote for a given party, not purely it's leader.


Of course, it would suit INGSOC (aka Labor) if we were to become a republic, this way they might stand a 'slight' chance, assuming they could bribe enough 'foreign' 'globalist' elites to fund their presidential style campaign.

Monk, Labors presidential self-styled republican candidates are neither qualified to drive our economy or are team-players, I think the last team-player they had was Bob Hawke, and this was only because he needed his sober ministers to wipe his spew off the floor and clean up after him after a night on the booze. <---(To which I'm sure you can relate)

But at least old Bob was a patriot, this and demonstrated a reasonable degree of party loyalty.

Can the same be said for Labors current treacherous back-stabbing line-up?

Like I said, if they will betray close colleagues (fellow cabinet ministers) and their own party, then they will think nothing of betraying voters, Labor is a broken machine, has been for years, Mark Latham (Former Labor leader ) was right about this.



Again, read it and weep.

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andr ... dsun/C889/

Personal approval ratings mean nothing, and the above article explains why in simple English even you should be able to understand, Monk.

And to this I will just add, Monk, whilst you defend the current Labor machine and readily denigrate the coalition, I am yet to read something you have written that supports your dialogue, something you like about your preferred Labor party.

If you are going to defend a chosen party, you shouldn't have any trouble supporting your comments with a well constructed argument this and be able to identify what it is you actually "like" about your preferred party, and it's leader.

Why haven't you?




I'll give you a hint.... You cant!

And the same applies to you Skip, what do you think Labor has to offer?
What do you like about the current Labor machine?

Anything?

Because trolling political forums just for kicks (to break the boredom) under the guise of denigrating the coalition and defending your chosen party really isn't cutting it, you need to provide a rational for your views in order for them to be taken seriously, lend them some substance.

Whilst Mantra and I share different political views, her views are justified, she has provided reason for why she supports her chosen party, even if I beg to differ. She is passionate and genuinely supports her preferred party this and remains loyal to them.
This is why I take her commentary seriously and not yours.

Can either of you say the same, when neither of you give reason for why you prefer your chosen party?

This is the key difference between political animals and political forum trolls.

Both of you lack credibility and substance, so good luck defending the indefensible, when you are flat out defending your own nonsense.

In fact, I doubt either of you have a genuine interest in politics at all... come to this forum for other reasons, primarily to annoy the shit out of people who do have a genuine interest in politics and to cause mischief.

[mellie]

Therefore I shall conclude, I guess Labor really is doomed if the best they have defending them is you pair of inebriated clowns who are flat out defending your own dribble.

Because everyone listens to forum trolls right?



Wrong!

[IQS.RLOW]

26%

You seem to have a stutter,spermy.

You must be pleased skip. At this rate labor and the greens will be 15% each...what a shame that will still lead to an absolute pantsing of the leftards

[Jovial Monk]

Again, this is not a direct-elect republican style election therefore people vote for a given party, not purely it's leader.

You lunatic, you escaped mental patient you started this thread. I invite you to look at the title.

Of course, it would suit INGSOC (aka Labor) if we were to become a republic, this way they might stand a 'slight' chance, assuming they could bribe enough 'foreign' 'globalist' elites to fund their presidential style campaign.

Wow, the nutcase has found a new nonsense word, INGSOC! Foreign globalist elites, e.g. big tobacco are funding the Libs. Try thinking when you are posting.

Monk, Labors presidential self-styled republican candidates are neither qualified to drive our economy or are team-players, I think the last team-player they had was Bob Hawke, and this was only because he needed his sober ministers to wipe his spew off the floor and clean up after him after a night on the booze. <---(To which I'm sure you can relate)

Oohh a personal slur! No, when I was young the odd late night or early morning spew but no more. Hawke was off the booze while he was in Parliament: facts, so difficult to handle, eh?

But at least old Bob was a patriot, this and demonstrated a reasonable degree of party loyalty.

Can the same be said for Labors current treacherous back-stabbing line-up?

Oh I think Labor are “patriots” at least as much as any group of Australians. Hawke had to “knife” Hayden you might remember when the illicit drugs wear off.

Like I said, if they will betray close colleagues (fellow cabinet ministers) and their own party, then they will think nothing of betraying voters, Labor is a broken machine, has been for years, Mark Latham (Former Labor leader ) was right about this.

Who exactly has betrayed anyone?

Again, read it and weep.

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andr ... dsun/C889/

I don’t read the ravings of Andrew Dolt.

Personal approval ratings mean nothing, and the above article explains why in simple English even you should be able to understand, Monk.

In the 40–odd years that there has been frequent polling no LOTO with approvals as low as Tone has ever won an election and become PM. That is a fact. Now it is becoming obviously clear that Tone lied about the impact of the Carbon Price his approvals and PPM will tank even more, even as Gillard’s “refuses to lie down and die and hand over government” as Tone sobbed will improve her ratings and that of the ALP.

Good going quoting your own lengthy nonsense post!

And to this I will just add, Monk, whilst you defend the current Labor machine and readily denigrate the coalition, I am yet to read something you have written that supports your dialogue, something you like about your preferred Labor party.

If you are going to defend a chosen party, you shouldn't have any trouble supporting your comments with a well constructed argument this and be able to identify what it is you actually "like" about your preferred party, and it's leader.

Why haven't you?

Why haven’t I? Are you blind as well as stupid, insane and drug–raddled? Good things the ALP govt have done, not an exhaustive list by any means:

Apology to the Stolen Generations

MRRT

Carbon Price

Plain packaging (of cigarette packets I guess I better explain)

Reform of native title—you will have to visit a real news site or two, our great AG Nicola Roxon has just announced this. Like the other 300–odd Bills it will get through with no amendments from the Libs.

NBN—there is a whole fucking thread on this here, you fucking mental moron, started by me! This will give a 21st century communications system to the country, boosting the GDP, helping business, lowering the cost of health care, boosting education, overcoming the dreadful isolation of the bush and much more.

Cutting of middleclass welfare which Howard created, conjuring up an entitlement mentality that Labor, especially Swan, is gradually removing.

That is why, once all this comes into effect or largely into effect (like the NBN) the government will be returned in 2013 and deserve to be so returned.

[mellie]

I didn't ask you for Labor propaganda spool, (I can get this straight from their website if I want it) that or a list of 'said' good things they have done historically,(as again, this is quite subjective) ... I asked you what you like about them (Labor) as a party, and it's chosen leader.


Eg, what do you like about Labors core ethics, it's philosophy, it's MOA ... and why do you think Gillard is a suitable candidate for another round of being our nations most hated PM?

What do you think she has to offer?



You see Monk, itemising what you like or dislike about a given party is neither here or there... given much of it is subjective, and mere Labor propaganda/spin you repeatedly see fit to regurgitate to allude to your having delivered an informed opinion, when all you have done is recite directly from INGSOC's (Labors) web-pages.. cant you think for yourself? Dont answer that. No need.

Eg, How would you know if you like a carbon-Tax, are you feeling the pinch yet you inebriated unemployed centrelink bum?

I am not asking you what you think they have done with that pickled little brain of yours, I am asking you what you like most about their party on the whole, with particular reference to it's leader, Ms Gillard, given you seem to have taken quite a shine to the notion of "preferred PM"..this opposed to the overall approval of an entire party.

Take your time, you need all you can get.

[Jovial Monk]

The record of the government speaks for itself.

You are a lunatic.

[mellie]

The record of the government speaks for itself.

You are a lunatic.

In other words, you cant answer the questions, this or tell us what it is you like about your 'preferred' party and or it's leader.


And why?

Because you don't know what this is yourself, you only know what you are told to spool directly from Labors propaganda web pages.

Nice one, guess who gets to wear the dunce hat today, come to think of it, you wear it everyday so just leave it on your head, no need to give it a wash even, given you will be one of only few fucktards spewing in it come next federal election.

[Jovial Monk]

Rarely read the ALP site and I am not even an ALP member.

I am not going to get into a philosophical discussion with a lunatic and dickhead like you because that would be a complete waste of my time. You believe what obvious frauds like Andrew Dolt say so how can there be a meeting of minds? Would be like me discussing economics with a kindergarten toddler.

If you really want such a discussion, I suggest you start.

[mellie]

Rarely read the ALP site and I am not even an ALP member.

I am not going to get into a philosophical discussion with a lunatic and dickhead like you because that would be a complete waste of my time. You believe what obvious frauds like Andrew Dolt say so how can there be a meeting of minds? Would be like me discussing economics with a kindergarten toddler.

If you really want such a discussion, I suggest you start.

Again, you fail.

I gave you an opportunity to tell us what you like most about your 'preferred' party and it's leader and you chose to avoid the question entirely by hurling abusive and childish comments instead. This speaks for itself don't you think Monk?